Renz Pejana (Catholic) vs. Boy Bautista (Born Again) Debate

I came across an anti-catholic video on Youtube telling that the Roman Catholic Church is the Beast foretold in the Bible. And I also spotted a comment claiming that he is a catholic, but he throws all statues and stopped worshiping the Saints including Mother Mary. I know this man was only pretending he’s catholic to gain some sympthy from Catholics who already doubted the Church because of the anti-catholic propaganda. I argued his statement and our argument became a lengthy debate. I copy pasted the content of our debate and posted here.

Boy Bautista

I am a Catholic and throw all statue or Saints devotion or worship, I stop praying Hail Mary because , Mary is not God. I only call God the Father , Holy Spirit ant Jesus the Son od God and the Messiah.

Renz @Boy Bautista, If you are really Catholic, you should have known the role of statues in Catholicism. Images and Saints are not worshiped in Catholicism, reverence and worship are not the same. We can ask help from Saints so that God will have mercy on us and be admitted to Heaven. Mary is the mother of Jesus, most probably Jesus cannot refuse her if she will request Him to include you in Heaven. Images are just expressions of the Catholics’ love and faith in God and his Saints. If you hold a picture of your loved one and kiss it, will you commit the sin of idolatry? Jesus and His apostles teach us to worship God in spirit (mind and heart), whether you use images or not, as long as your mind and heart are directed to God above. Psalm 2:12 commands us, ”Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him”.  If you want to kiss God, how can you express it if He’s originally a spirit or unapproachable light? Let’s not understand the Bible by picking two or three verses only, let’s understand the Bible by its context. We should also use our common sense. God said His words do not change, and His founded kingdom is for everlasting, and it cannot be overcome by the gates of hell. To accuse the Catholicism of corrupting the Church is the same as accusing God that He’s lying. Of all the religions, it is only the Catholicism that can defend their Faith.

Boy Bautista  @Renz , Mary and all other saints cannot hear your prayers because they’re all dead. If truly you don’t worship those images, take them down from the altar, because altar is for God only. And you are kneeling down before those images, and the images will remain in your subconscious as you continue worshiping even with closed eyes.

Renz @Boy Bautista, not all people died, for example Enoch and Elijah did not experience death [2 kings 2:11 & Hebrews 11:5]. And not all dead are asleep because Abel though he was dead, he could still speak to God because of his faith, kindly read;

[Hebrews 11:4] “By faith Abel offered God a better sacrifice than Cain did. By faith he was commended as righteous when God gave approval to his gifts. And by faith he still speaks, even though he is dead.”

As I had said in the previous, we should understand the Bible not by only one or few verses, we should understand its context. The image is not really the issue of God’s hatred, but because people were worshiping gods other than Him. I think you are not familiar about the Ark of the Covenant. In (Exodus 25: 18), God instructed Moses to make two gold cherubim [Cherubim is pl. form of Cherub means angel statue] and placed them over the Ark of the Covenant. Then He commanded the Israelites to pray or request before that Ark. Joshua fell and prayed before that ark, and the Lord answered him (Joshua 7:6-11). Even King David held a feast for the Ark of the Covenant with the two cherubim over it (2 Samuel 6: 15, 19). He sacrificed burnt offerings and fellowship offerings before it, he was dancing and leaping with all his might before it (2 Samuel 6: 13, 14). David was despised by his wife Michal for what he had done, so the Lord closed her womb (2 Samuel 6: 16, 20, 23). What Michal did is comparable to what the non-Catholics are doing today who despise the Catholics for celebrating a feast and dance before a holy image. King Solomon made Cherubim too under the instruction of God and placed them in the inner sanctuary of God’s Temple (1 Kings 6: 23-27). God also instructed Moses to make a bronze statue of snake, and put it up on a pole. Then when anyone was bitten by a snake and looked at the bronze snake, he lived (Numbers 21: 8-9). Therefore, God does not prohibit the people to revere or use an image devoted to Him and His kingdom, as in the case of Micah’s carved silver image (Judges 17: 3). Judges chapter 18 tells about Micah’s carved silver image which was brought by Danites when they attacked Laish, and God let them conquered Laish.

Boy Bautista  @Renz , Then, why you don’t have Patron Saint Enoch and Patron Saint Elijah? Besides, your reasoning did not raise Mary from the dead. Have you not seen the Cherub in the Ark of Covenant? They are facing each other, not facing the people. None like them in the Catholic churches all over the world. Your images are clearly dead idols (I know it as I was with it for 30 years). No idolaters can enter the kingdom of God (Revelation 21:8). You must acknowledge that you are sinner and need a savior from heaven and ask Jesus Christ to come-in into your life as Lord & Savior. That’s it, no transferring of religion, just come to Jesus Christ in prayer.

Renz  @Boy Bautista

: You are funny, the issue here is the worshiper facing the image, and not the image facing the worshiper. If you try to argue that it was permissible by God to pray before the carved cherubim because they were facing sideward, then a worshiper can easily avoid the sin of idolatry, all he has to do is to turn his face towards the side of the image. So your reasoning is inconsistent.

: In (John 21:25), Apostle John says that there are still many works of Jesus which are not written down. And beside the Bible, we should also use our common sense. If Jesus could bring a criminal to His paradise [Luke 23:43], how much more his own mother? Mary is certainly in Jesus’ paradise. Moreover, there are many people around the world claiming that holy Mary appeared to them.

: Enoch and Elijah were born long time before Christianity, therefore, the Catholic Church is not in the position to declare them as holy. Besides they are already in paradise, there is no need for them to be canonized.

: Saints or holy people although they are dead, are not asleep, they are with Jesus. Kindly read;

[Revelation 6:10] And they cried out in a loud voice, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge those who live on the earth and avenge our blood?”

: No Catholic that will say his God is the image that he faces while praying. All Catholics know that their God is spirit and in Heaven. Whether you face an image or not in praying, God will judge us by our mind and heart, and not by gesture or food. Instead of accusing the Catholics, you better examine your own religion because your religion is only good at accusing but cannot defend its own doctrine.

Boy Bautista  @Renz , You obviously did not see the cherubs at the Arc of Covenant, they are facing each other closely with both wings touching each other, you cannot go in between and worship one of them. Besides, it is absolutely not permissible to worship any form of image in behalf of God. Religion is business, true Christianity is not religion but personal relationship with the Savior – knowing each other intimately.

Renz  @Boy Bautista, I have seen it. In fact before I bring up comments, I checked them first. However the issue is not the positioning of the images, but the Catholicism is accused by Christian sects for committing idolatry because they use images in their worship method. Images are just regarded holy and not worshiped in Catholicism. Christian sects always used [Exodus 20:4-5] to justify their accusation. Let us read these passages starting from verse 3 for us to have a better understanding;

3You shall have no other gods before Me.

4You shall not make for yourself an idol of any kind, or an image of anything in the heavens above, on the earth beneath, or in the waters below.

5You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on their children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me

COMMENT: in verse 3, God begins his commandment by saying, “you shall have no other gods before Me”. The issue here is not really the images themselves, but people who worshiped other gods (like Molech, Golden calf, Asherah, Baal, Bel, Amon, Dagon, Tammuz, Zeus, Hermes, Artemis, and many others). Why God hated the said images? Because these were the images of gods that the Israelites worshiped. The Catholicism is the owner of the Holy Scriptures, so they know better than all rebellious groups.

: One of the purposes of God to send Jesus to the world was to found His Church. Jesus said to Simon Peter, “I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven” (Mt. 16: 19). So if we want eternal lives, we need to be bound by this Church or religion. God only found one Church for eternity. Those Churches which are founded by mere men are not authorized by God. How come these groups can enter the kingdom of Heaven?

Boy Bautista  @Renz , you don’t worship them? Why kiss them and bow down before them? “5You shall not bow down to them”. You are bowing down before them, bowing down is an act of worship… that is clear. The Catholicism did not own the Holy Scriptures, in fact, all of them were written by Hebrews not even a single Roman writer. The “key” of the kingdom is Jesus Christ himself and the church is every person having the Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit living in them NOT the church/religion made by men. RC was founded by Emperor Constantine in Constantinople – now Istanbul. The church founded by Jesus Christ is his creation not the creation of people. How to enter God’s kingdom? Please read John 3:5 and Matthew 18:3. If you really own the Holy Scriptures, you should have written: “You must be a Catholic to enter God’s kingdom”, but instead, you wrote” “You must be born again” – John 3:7.

Renz  @Boy Bautista

A. If we kiss something, it doesn’t mean we worship that something. If you kiss the hand of your grandpa it doesn’t mean you worship him, but you respect him. If you kiss your wife, it doesn’t mean you worship her, but you love her. If you bow to a being it doesn’t always mean you worship that being, it can also mean you revere or honor that being. If a Japanese bow to you, it doesn’t mean he worships you, but he respects you. And this what a Catholic is doing, he shows his love, respect, and reverence to God or Saints by kissing and bowing to their images.

B. It appears that you have no knowledge about the History of the Roman Catholic Church. The earliest Christian Church in Rome was not founded by Romans or an emperor, but by Peter and Paul (the Hebrews who owned the Scriptures).


In 32 A.D. after the ascension of Jesus Christ, the apostles spread the good news initially from Jerusalem throughout the Roman Empire. In Rome, the apostle Simon Peter together with Paul established the Church which Jesus Christ told to Simon Peter, “and I tell you that you are peter [“peter” derived from Greek “petros” means rock], and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it” (Mt. 16: 18). In the year 107, St. Ignatius of Antioch named this Christian Faith as the Catholic Church [catholic derived from Greek katholikos means universal]. It became the state religion by Armenia in 301; Georgia in 319; and in the year 380, Theodocius 1 declared this Faith as the official religion in Rome. It is only the Catholic Church that can trace their root to Jesus.

C. Jesus is not the key himself, but He holds the keys of the kingdom. “Key” means authority, and Jesus assigned these authorities of the kingdom to Peter alone. So the notion that you can go to Heaven by yourself or by another church is false. Try to examine yourself if you have the capability to fly into Jesus’ abode. It is only by the power of Jesus that we can be transported to Heaven. Therefore, we must follow Jesus’ instructions and should not be isolated from His Church. The kingdom of God is not His creation because this creation will vanish like smoke (Isaiah 51:6 & 34:4). The Church (body of people) is the kingdom itself, Jesus preached about this kingdom (Matthew 9:35). Jesus is the head of the Church or king of the kingdom. Unknown to many, the said kingdom of Heaven is the Catholic Church which was established on Earth by Jesus (Matthew 16:18) and this will continue forever or in the afterlife, kindly read the verses below;

1. [Daniel 2:44] “At the time of those kings, the God of heaven will establish a kingdom that will never be destroyed. No other people will be permitted to rule it. It will smash all the other kingdoms and put an end to them. And it will be established forever”

2. [1 Chronicles 22:10] ‘He shall build a house for My name, and he shall be My son and I will be his father; and I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel forever.’

3. [Matthew 16:18] “I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.

4. [Matthew 9:35] Jesus went through all the towns and villages, teaching in their synagogues, proclaiming the good news of the kingdom and healing every disease and sickness.

5. [Revelation 5:10] You have made them into a kingdom, priests to serve our God, and they will reign upon the earth.”

D. The baptism is only your entrance to the Church, You cannot be saved by being baptized alone. But you must believe that Jesus is your savior besides obeying the law For there is no salvation if we are not justified by faith aside from obeying the law [Romans 3:28]. Without faith in the salvation provided by Christ, we will all perish [Isaiah 51:6 & Luke 13:3].

E. You don’t need to look for a “Catholic” word in the Bible as proof of Catholicism. All you have to do is to trace back the origin of Catholicism if it can connect to Peter. The Catholic Church has so much evidence to show their authenticity.

F. To find the name of your church in the Bible is not a basis of authenticity, The New Testament was written in the first century, and your church was established in the 19th century (1,900 years gap). Anyone can found his own church and copy its name from the Bible, and claim that this church is the truth. This is also the ploy of “Iglesia ni Cristo” claiming that their church is the truth because it is found in the Filipino Bible.

Boy Bautista  @Renz You are kneeling down before those idols, you talk to them directly in prayers, I know it because I was a devoted Catholic for 30 years. Peter and Paul were killed by the Roman Catholics, please check your history. The rock is Jesus not Peter, please review your hermeneutics.

John 14:6 Jesus said, I am THE WAY, THE TRUTH, and THE LIFE, no one comes to the Father except through me. He is the WORD. He is the DOOR, He is the KEY. There is no “keys” that is in plural form, only one key that is JESUS CHRIST alone. Your keys CANNOT open the DOOR in heaven. The true CHURCH is not the religious organizations making money and grabbing political power and invented many “keys” to heaven but the heart of individual person that received Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior and Confirmed/Sealed by the Holy Spirit. Iglesia ni Cristo is another cult of Filipino version. But, RC has more chances to come to Jesus than INC and Eli Soriano’s Dating Daan, they’re deeply inverted by twisted doctrine.

Renz  @Boy Bautista

1. Again, kneeling down before something is not always an act of worship. If an adulterous husband kneels down before his wife to ask for forgiveness, it doesn’t mean he worships her. If a Christian mentions Saints in his prayer, does it mean he worship them? If a child pleads his parents to give him new shoes, does it mean he worship his parents? As I had said, God examines our faith in spirit, not in our gestures or food we eat. A Christian only pleads the Saints for intercession or to ask help, pleading is not worship. Catholic Church never teaches its believers to worship idols. If indeed you were a devout Catholic in the past, you should have known that images were just symbols, and not gods.

2. Peter and Paul were killed by Roman pagans not Catholics, you are lying if not ignorant of the history. In fact, the name Catholic was not yet used by the time of Peter and Paul, use your common sense.

3. “Rock” has several meanings in the Bible, it can mean strength, fortress, refuge, shield, or foundation. God is called rock because He is the fortress or refuge of the people, kindly read;

[Psalm 18:2] “The LORD is my rock and my fortress and my Savior, my God, my rock in whom I take refuge, my shield, and the strength of my salvation, my stronghold”

Simon is called peter or rock because he is the foundation of the Church. When we build a house, we need to lay a rock or foundation on the ground first.

4. You don’t understand, I was pointing about the keys of the kingdom which were given by Jesus to Peter (Matthew 16:18). And these keys are not literal, they mean authorities. There is no such thing as “Jesus is the key” in the Bible, you are inventing a verse. You know what, Churches founded by mere men are given to lying because they cannot defend their doctrines. “Door” and “key” definitely are not synonymous. “Door” is the opening thru which we enter a house or kingdom, while “key” is a piece used to open or close a locker. If we say Jesus is the key, it implies that we use Jesus as our key to Heaven which is illogical! Jesus holds the key(s) and not the key Himself, verses about Jesus who holds the keys;

[Isaiah 22:22] “Then I will set the key of the house of David on his shoulder, When he opens no one will shut, When he shuts no one will open.

[Revelation 1:18] “the Living One. I was dead, and behold, now I am alive forever and ever! And I hold the keys of Death and of Hades”

5. The Catholic Church never ask a 10% from the income of the people. During Mass, it is okay for the Church if a believer give just a peso or none. How can non-Catholics accuse the Catholic Church for making them poor? Italy is predominantly Catholic but they are not poor. And what power of the Government that the Catholic Church grab? Have you heard a position of the government that is held by a Bishop? These accusations by non-Catholics are baseless. I sense that rebellious churches keep inventing stories to topple the Catholic Church. But as Jesus said, to attack this Church is like kicking against the prick (Acts 26:14). Catholics are now 1.3 Billions, the biggest of all the religions of the world. This is what Jesus had promised to Peter, that the gates of hell (other religions) cannot prevail His Church. God laid down steps in the Bible for people to know how to enter the kingdom of Heaven. But people like your group are disposed to rebel and make their own teachings. Saint Paul already predicted this rebellion or apostasy in his epistles, he says;

[2 Timothy 4:3-4] “for the time is coming when men will not endure sound teaching. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths”

6. God says His Covenant brought by Jesus is everlasting, so there will be no more Church to be founded. He says that the kingdom founded by Jesus on Earth is for eternity, so the Catholic Church or kingdom of Jesus will be the kingdom in Heaven. Let us remember that God’s mind and words do not change, kindly read;

[Numbers 23:19] “God is not like people. He tells no lies. He is not like humans. He doesn’t change his mind. When he says something, he does it. When he makes a promise, he keeps it.”

Boy Bautista  @Renz , Even having an image on altar is already idolatry how much more when you kneel down before them. Not worshiping? You are lying to yourself. Roman Catholicism is paganism from the very start up to now. Roman Catholicism killed millions of Christians and Jews, there is no way that religious group is of God. Look at the lives of the majority of RC members, they are living in sinful lives, true Christians must be living in holy lives – you are not.

Jesus is the everything. He is the creator of heaven and earth (John 1:1-3). Jesus is not something literal or physical, He is the Almighty God, the perfect face of the Father. Jesus is the kingdom, the door, the way, the key, the secret code, the truth, the eternal life, he is sovereign God. Narrow is the way to heaven and only few coming to, but wide is the way to hell and many are going to: 1.3 billion from RC and more billions from other groups. You can think it further and deeper, you can come to Jesus personally, talk to Him seriously and ask Him what is really the truth. I will never ask to join my group, but, I will ask you to come to Jesus Christ personally, He is the Savior not my group.

Renz  @Boy Bautista

You are so ignorant of the history, the Romans who killed Jews and Christians were not Catholics.

If Jesus says He is the “door”, it means He is our way/path to the Father. If the Bible says “God is everything”, it means He can do everything, it does not mean that His being is everything. For God is definitely not an object, planet, building, airplane, space, animal, etc.. My goodness! God is not a kingdom Himself, where did you get this learning? Your church teach you falsehood. God is called a king because He has a kingdom. A kingdom is composed of a king, area, and subjects. In the Old Testament, God keeps telling that He will establish a kingdom on Earth for eternity. He will install His Son as king. This kingdom is composed of King Jesus, the 12 apostles as judges, priests, and people. Whoever enters this kingdom thru other gate is a thief (John 10:1-2). When I said that the Catholics are 1.3 Billions, I did not mean all of them can make it to Heaven. As I had said, baptism alone cannot save us. We need to believe that Jesus is our Lord and Savior plus obeying the law. Brother, you are the one who needs enlightenment by Jesus. Ask him personally what’s the real truth about Him. Certainly He will answer you, “I am not a kingdom, a key, or code, and leave your church for they are teaching you falsehood”.

Boy Bautista  @Renz , Jesus is the key in the house of David, he is also the only door, he is also the way upon entering the door into the kingdom, he is also the kingdom that has no bounds. You should know who Jesus is, he is the Almighty God. The church is the person having the Holy Spirit NOT the church per your understanding that are making money and grabbing political power like the Rome, etc. Italy is now predominantly atheist and their economy is collapsing following Greece.

Renz @Boy Bautista

1. Man, don’t make any perception that is not mentioned in the Bible, it would only make your mind more confused. And also God cannot be an instrument Himself, it’s inconsistent. Furthermore, when you make a claim from the Bible, put forward a verse to back up your claims. For nowhere in the Bible that says Jesus is the key in the house of David. “Holding the key” and “the Key Himself” are not synonymous. The Bible teaches that Jesus holds the key of the house of David, here read;

[Isaiah 22:22] “I will place on his shoulder the key of the house of David. What he opens, no one can shut; what he shuts, no one can open”

[Revelation 3:7] “To the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: These are the words of the One who is holy and true, who holds the key of David. What He opens, no one will shut; and what He shuts, no one will open”

2. Again you’re inventing stories. Italy is 88% Catholic, the growth of other religion and atheism is mostly caused by migrants:

Italy’s economy ranks no. 8 in the world although she experienced crisis, definitely this country is not poor:

Boy Bautista  @Renz , you already said that is not material but spiritual, you are confused. You need to come to Jesus, don’t stay with Mary or else you shall never arrive with Jesus.

you already said that it is spiritual not physical, why are you confused? You cannot limit what God can do. Italians still claiming Catholics but don’t go to church anymore.

the Isaiah 22:22 is prophetically referring to Jesus, but, RC is claiming to have the authority in lieu of Jesus thus RC is basically an Anti-Christ. Anti-Christ is not against Christ but claiming to be the salvation, has the keys of salvation. Christ is the key, and the salvation. The key is the way to open the door of salvation. Only Jesus can do that. Only Jesus is the Alpha and Omega, from the beginning to end He is God

there is no other means to salvation. His name is Salvation, Savior, Yeshua, Jesus, Christ, Messiah, etc. There is no Mary in the path to heaven.

Renz  @Boy Bautista

1. Don’t go around your mistake, admit it _that Jesus is not the kingdom or the key Himself so that you will learn. Either God meant literal or spiritual, it is illogical to say that Jesus is the kingdom or key Himself. You cannot learn if you don’t know how to accept mistakes. And also you mentioned that the church is the person having the holy Spirit. We can have many churches by your definition because there are many persons who have the holy Spirit. Jesus established only one church. The word “church” is a translation of the Greek word ekklesia, which is defined as “an assembly” or “called-out ones.” The root meaning of church is not that of a building, but body of people.

2. Yes, [Isaiah 22:22] is referring to Jesus, but Jesus pass this key or authority to Peter (the head of Catholicism);

[Matthew 16:19] I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

See? The Catholic Church has the authority. It is sad to say that your church has no authority from Jesus. No permit, and yet you claim that your church is the truth. You better ponder about this fact. Or else Jesus will call you a thief for you try to enter the Kingdom of Heaven other than its gate.

Boy Bautista @Renz , the many churches that are people living holy lives is called the body of Christ (you can read it in Corinthians) . I never seen a single Catholic person living holy life simply because of wrong teachings. You need to accept Jesus Christ first as Lord & Savior by faith in order to see Him. That is called born again experience (John 3:3), because no matter how I tell you, you can never see nor understand who Jesus is until Jesus himself will reveal it to you personally.

Renz @Boy Bautista Where in the Corinthians? There are 1 & 2 Corinthians, and what verse? After telling Jesus is a key or kingdom, you now have another claim. How did you know that no Catholic lives a holy life? Are you God who knows the inner part of a person? Don’t you know that “holy” means sinless or perfect? Is there any perfect man except Jesus? Are you perfect? You are a joke. After you showed to me your ignorance of the Bible and history, you have the cheekiness to declare that Jesus personally revealed to the Born Again believers the understanding, and this is called Born Again experience, Wow!

But why you are ignorant Biblically and historically? Are you sure it was Jesus who revealed to you that understanding? Because Jesus knows everything but His Born Again people are ignorant. You know what, the Bible says those people who cannot understand are evil;

[Proverbs 28:5] “Evil people do not understand judgment, but those who seek the LORD comprehend fully”

[John 8:47] “Whoever belongs to God hears the words of God. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”

Furthermore, we cannot be saved by just believing the saving work of Jesus alone. It should be faith plus obedience of the law;

[Romans 3:28] “For there is no salvation if we are not justified by faith aside from obeying the law”


Boy Bautista @Renz , Romans 3:28 King James Version (KJV) 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. hhhmm… it is without the law, you are twisting the word of God.

Renz @Boy Bautista. Numerous translators translated that way;

New International Version
For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.

English Standard Version
For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.

Berean Study Bible
For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.

New American Standard Bible 
For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.

Christian Standard Bible
For we conclude that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.

International Standard Version
For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the actions prescribed by the Law. 

NET Bible
For we consider that a person is declared righteous by faith apart from the works of the law.

New Heart English Bible
For we maintain that one is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.

New American Standard 1977 
For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.

American Standard Version
We reckon therefore that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.

English Revised Version
We reckon therefore that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.

Weymouth New Testament
For we maintain that it is as the result of faith that a man is held to be righteous, apart from actions done in obedience to Law.

World English Bible
We maintain therefore that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.

Young’s Literal Translation
therefore do we reckon a man to be declared righteous by faith, apart from works of law.


The book of Romans (KJV) concluded that the law should not be made void;

[Romans 3:31] Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.


James 2:18
But someone will say, “You have faith and I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds.

James 2:20
O foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is worthless?

James 2:24
As you can see, a man is justified by his deeds and not by faith alone.


Boy Bautista @Renz , 1 Corinthians 12:12 King James Version (KJV) 12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

Renz @Boy Bautista So what about this verse? It confirms my previous statements that the Church is a body of people.

Boy Bautista @Renz , I was a Catholic and still surrounded by Catholics, I never seen even one not living in sins. By their fowl words, vices, and image worship. While the real born-again Christians are full of praise and thanksgiving to God and good words and good works. Yet, our holiness and righteousness were not earned but imputed to us by Jesus Christ.

Renz @Boy Bautista So you are living in a sinless life now, how sure are you? You know what, whatever your Church does, it does not matter to God, it is useless because you rebelled from His Church, You are not belong to God anymore. You made your own gate to Heaven rather than the gate made by Christ on Peter. Saint Paul predicted already the people like you;

[2 Timothy 4:3] For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,

Here in my place, the priests keep holding masses every day from dawn to evening, the Catholics around me are worshiping God warmly. They don’t keep attacking other religions. They are brave, they spread the Gospel even the most dangerous Muslim area. But you (born again), do not, you take your converts from Catholics, investing their children, poisoning their minds that Catholic are worshiping images. You don’t go to dangerous area because you are afraid (weak faith). You just wait when an area become Catholic, And then you enter there, poisoning the products of Catholics. 

Boy Bautista @Renz , “the gate made by Christ on Peter”, you created your own gate with your out of context interpretation. Jesus said, “thou art Peter and upon this rock I will build my church”. He’s referring to himself the rock of all ages, existed from everlasting to everlasting. Jesus did not said, “I will build my church upon Peter”.

Renz @Boy Bautista It shows that you are not aware of the origin of the name, “Peter”. It originated from the Greek word, “petros” which means rock. Peter’s previous name was Simon, Jesus called him as rock or Petros because He made him the foundation of His Church. In other word, Jesus said to Simon, “you are rock and on this rock I will build my Church”

Boy Bautista @Renz, a body of people without the Holy Spirit living in them cannot become a church that is holy dwelling place of God. They are basically categorized as cult, RC is a cult.

Renz @ Boy Bautista, Wrong, the Church was already built by Jesus on Simon Peter, how can you say the Church of God cannot become a church? The Church (body of people) is not the dwelling place of God, but His kingdom founded on Earth for eternity. What is more cult, the group that can connect its origin to Peter, or the group that can connect only its origin to Martin Luther?

Boy Bautista @Renz, Romans 10:17 King James Version (KJV) 17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Renz @Boy Bautista your KJV teaches you already that the law should not be made void through faith (Romans 3:31), and faith is worthless without deeds (James 2:20). So you better don’t propose a verse anymore to prove your doctrine. I sense that you have no interest in seeking the truth. 

Boy Bautista @Renz , Origin to Peter church is so shameful because he denied Jesus 3 times. The Living Church is everyone born with new life on JESUS. The RC cannot understand this even the pope.

Renz @Boy Bautista If Peter’s church is so shameful, then why your church copied the Bible? Why your church use the book of Peter in your Bible? Since your church followed the Scriptures of a so shameful church, therefore, your church is also so shameful, right? You don’t know what you are talking about. If RC (which is the originator of the Bible) does not understand God’s teachings, how much more your own church, which was founded very recently? Your “faith alone” doctrine even contradicts the teachings of the Bible. And yet you have the audacity to claim that you know the Bible better than the Catholic Church.  

Boy Bautista @Renz , The Truth is Jesus. The law is there for you to know that you are a SINNER. No sinner can save himself by doing good works. If ever can, Jesus should have not come and paid all sins by His blood.

Renz @Boy Bautista The law was made only to let us know that we are sinners, so after Jesus saved us, don’t we need to follow the law and continue sinning? This is ridiculous. Why is it that Jesus told the prostitute woman to sin no more if the law is no longer necessary? No matter how hard you do good works, but you have no faith the saving work of Jesus, you cannot be saved also  _this is what Saint Paul meant in his teaching. The Bible teaches us that faith and doing the law should go together in order to save our lives.

Boy Bautista @Renz , Jesus did not say, “On you Peter”. Perhaps the reason is you don’t who Jesus is, The Rock, The Foundation, The Kingdom, The Word, The Almighty God, The Way, The Truth, The Life. etc, etc..

Renz @Boy Bautista  If truly you know Jesus and His firm believer, don’t play game, let us be honest. Jesus founded His Church on rock (peter). Jesus changed Simon’s name into Peter because He chose him as the foundation of His Church. This is one of the sicknesses of rebellious Christians who could not topple the Catholic Church’s doctrine, they will resort to word-for-word basis. We are no longer a child that cannot understand a simple sentence. Love the truth because Jesus is the truth.

Boy Bautista @Renz , The Truth is Jesus. The law is there for you to know that you are a SINNER. No sinner can save himself by doing good works. If ever can, Jesus should have not come and paid all sins by His blood.

Renz @Boy Bautista It is not knowing that you are a sinner, but the law is there for us to stop sinning. No sinner can save himself by doing good works if you don’t have faith the saving work of Jesus. You must believe the saving work of Jesus first. Because there are people who do good works but don’t believe the salvation provided by Jesus, for instance the Muslims, they believe that by doing good works alone, they can go to paradise.

Boy Bautista @Renz , All of the books in the Bible were written by Hebrews, no single Catholic contributed. Salvation can be received from Jesus Christ alone. Good works that shall follow are fruits of salvation, but, if you continue the sinful lifestyle, that means you have not Jesus Christ nor believe nor have faith in Him. Works to earn salvation are direct rejection of Jesus Christ’s offer of free salvation. You obviously don’t understand “salvation by grace”, because you want to earn it.

Renz @Boy Bautista where did the protestants get the Bible in 1517? don’t tell me the Bible suddenly went into their hands? the Catholics were the ones who kept the Scriptures. and they were the ones who selected the inspired books then compiled them as bible. You should read the history so that you wouldn’t end up lying.

If salvation comes first (through faith) therefore good works comes as a result, then why there are protestants who still sinning? I don’t think they don’t believe the saving work of Jesus. There is a Born Again Church closed to our house built 8 years ago, And I had noticed that their number grew from one to more than a hundred. But I had also noticed two years after their number declined, their number today is less than 20 mostly children. I asked why their number declined, one of the ex-member said, (who is my cousin) that their number started declining when the members found out that their pastor had affairs with 3 lady members. I don’t think that this pastor doesn’t believe the saving work of Jesus. So your doctrine is inconsistent. The teaching of Saint Paul is very clear, that we can be saved through faith aside from obeying the law.


[Psalm 78:69] (Aramaic Bible in Plain English) “He built His holy place upon the height and He prepared it in the earth for eternity.

[Daniel 2:44] “At the time of those kings, the God of heaven will establish a kingdom that will never be destroyed. No other people will be permitted to rule it. It will smash all the other kingdoms and put an end to them. And it will be established forever”


[1 Chronicles 17:14] I will set him over my house and my kingdom forever; his throne will be established forever.


[2 Samuel 7:16] “Your house and your kingdom shall endure before Me forever; your throne shall be established forever.”

[Daniel 7:14] “And to Him was given dominion, Glory and a kingdom, that all the peoples, nations and men of every language might serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion which will not pass away; And His kingdom is one which will not be destroyed”.

[Jeremiah 50:5] “They will ask for the way to Zion, turning their faces in its direction; they will come that they may join themselves to the LORD in an everlasting covenant that will not be forgotten.


[Matthew 16:18] You are Peter, and I can guarantee that on this rock I will build my church. And the gates of hell will not overpower it


[Matthew 9:35] Jesus went through all the towns and villages, teaching in their synagogues, proclaiming the good news of the kingdom and healing every disease and sickness.

Renz Pejana (Catholic) vs. Kit Snow (Muslim) Debate

I put up a challenge on Youtube for Muslims, and a person named Kit Snow took this challenge

Renz Pejana:  I challenge every Muslim to defend this contradictions. Failure to explain these, means Qur’an is fake and invented by Muhammad;


  1. According to [Qur’an 11:42-43], a son of Noah is drowned in the flood, But according to [21:76] all sons of Noah are saved from the flood. Which of statements is true?
  2. In [Qur’an 5:90], wine is prohibited on Earth because it is the handwork of Satan, But ironically in [47:15 & 83:22-25], rivers of wine is the prize for the righteous. So it means there will be numerous drunkards in Heaven?
  3. [Qur’an 3:59] says, Jesus is created by Allah from dust, so He is an ordinary human; But in [66:12, 19:17, & 3:45] Jesus is formed by Allah through breathing his Spirit or Word into the body of virgin Mary. Analyzing these verses, Jesus is not an ordinary human because he has no human father, in fact he is the Spirit or Word of Allah; But behold in [43:61 & 4:159] Jesus becomes a Deity for He is the knowledge of Resurrection or Judgment Day. Who is Jesus really in Qur’an, an ordinary human, Son or Spirit from Allah, or God?
  4. [Qur’an 66:12, 19:17, & 3:45] tells us that Jesus is originated from the spirit or Word of Allah; But in [5:17] says that following Christ is a blasphemy, and Allah will destroy Christ. So it means Allah will destroy his own Spirit or Word?
  5. [Qur’an 2:62] says, those who believe in Qur’an, and follow Jewish Scriptures, and Christians will have rewards from their Lord; But in [5:17] says that following Christ is a blasphemy, and Allah will destroy Christ.
  6. [Qur’an 5:5] it is lawful to marry a chaste woman among the people of the Book (take note that Muslims view Christians as non-believers), But in [2:221] says, do not marry unbelieving woman. Which of these regulations is true?
  7. [Qur’an 2:256] says, “let there be no compulsion in religion”, But [2:191 & 9:5] commands Muslims to slay the disbelievers”. Which of these commandments is true?
  8. [Qur’an 55:14] says man is created from a ringing clay; But [15:26 &28] tells, man is created from a sounding clay and black mud; But worse [20:55] says, man is made from earth or soil; But even worse [25:54] says, man is created from water; But worst [16:4 & 80:19] says, man is created from a sperm-drop; But even worst [96:2] states that man is created from a clot of blood; But even so worst [19:9, 19:67, & 52:35] state that, man is created from nothing. Which of these seven contradicting verses is true?
  9. In [Qur’an 3:39], John is a confirmer of the word of Allah, but in [5:46 & 61:6] Jesus is the confirmer of the Word of Allah. Which of the two is the truth?
  10. [Qur’an 4:153] Allah forgave Moses and his people for worshiping golden calf, But in [4:48 & 4:116] Allah does not forgive those who worship gods other than him. Which of the two is true?

Kit Snow :

Renz Pejana, Your understanding of context throughout these verses is lacking. You must consider verses pertaining to wartime for example, when you are permitted to slay an enemy etc. The verse of Noah, his family was saved from the flood, it does not say all of his sons were saved, the translation states family. I have reread everything you stated and I dont see a solid argument, all of the verses can be argued in favor of being not a contradiction. I have not seen one single proven error or contradiction in the Quran

Renz Pejana : Kit Snow, why don’t you go on answering each of my questions? Even if there is no war, your Koran commands you to kill the disbelievers. Here is the verse;

[9:5] “But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful”.

And also there is force applied on disbelievers, if they don’t accept Islam, they will be killed..

Kit Snow :

When we read from verse 1 of chapter 9, it states that there was a treaty which the Pagan Arabs broke. Thus, Allah in the Quran says, that HE gave them four months. Verse 9:4 states that Allah will punish those who broke the treaty, this verse is only aimed at those who broke the treaty, it did not affect those who abided by the treaty. When we read the passage (9:5), it is evident, it’s talking about a war with the pagan Arabs. This was a historical event that happened in the lifetime of Prophet Muhammad (p). Furthermore, verse 9:13 provides proof that it was the pagans who started this war. The verse states, “Would you not fight a people who broke their oaths and determined to expel the Messenger, and they had begun to attack you first?” This is proof that Prophet Muhammad (p) did not start this war, but it was those treacherous pagan Arabs that started to expel and fight the Messenger. Again, context means everything.

The Quran states you cannot take an innocent life unless its for murder or corruption of the land. Even in the USA up until 1990, if you are charged with murder or treason, which could be “corruption of your land” it is punishable by death. Chapter 5 verse 32: “Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land – it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one – it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.”

Renz Pejana : Kit Snow, there is no treaty broken by the pagans, [9:1] clearly states that Allah/Muhammad himself was the one who declared cancellation from his treaty with pagans. He revoked the covenant of every party. Allah/Muhammad gave the pagans four months to accept Islam, or else they will be killed. After these four months Allah or Muhammad has no more obligation of the treaty _ this is the whole story. Islam apologists tried so hard to cover this barbaric commandments of Muhammad/Allah. He was the one who initiated the attack or war. This is the story how or where chapter 9 of Koran originated. Kindly read;

The Book of the Major Classes, (Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir) volume 2, pages 208-9, written by Ibn Sa’d Then (occurred) the Pilgrimage of Abu Bakr al-Siddiq with the people in Dhu al-Hijjah of the ninth year from the hijrah of the Apostle of Allah.

They (narrators) said: The Apostle of Allah appointed Abu Bakr al-Siddiq to be in charge of the hajj. He set out with three hundred persons from al-Madinah. The Apostle of Allah sent with him, twenty sacrificial animals, whom he had adorned with necklaces, and whose humps he had pierced with his own hands. Najiyah Ibn Jundab al-Aslami was in charge (of the sacrificial animals). Abu Bakr carried five sacrificial animals with him. When he reached al-‘Arj, Ali Ibn Abi Talib joined him and he was riding al-Qaswa the she-camel of the Apostle of Allah. Thereupon Abu Bakr said to him: Has the Apostle of Allah given you charge of the pilgrimage? He said: No, But he has sent me to read to the people “Freedom from obligation” and the dissolution agreements of all parties. Then Abu Bakr proceeded and performed Hajj with the people. Ali Ibn Abi Talib read to the people: “Freedom from obligations,” on the day of sacrifice, near al-Jamrah, and revoked the covenant of every party; and he said: After this year no polytheists will make a pilgrimage nor a naked person will circumambulate (the Ka’bah).

To support my argument that Muhammad really meant killing the disbelievers of Islam whether in war or not, I provide another sword verses. Kindly read;

[4:104] And do not weaken in pursuit of the enemy. If you should be suffering – so are they suffering as you are suffering, but you expect from Allah that which they expect not. And Allah is ever Knowing and Wise.

[4:89] “They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks.”

[8:12] “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them” 

[9:41-42] Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew. Had it been a near adventure and an easy journey they had followed thee, but the distance seemed too far for them. Yet will they swear by Allah (saying): If we had been able we would surely have set out with you. They destroy their souls, and Allah knoweth that they verily are liars. 

Furthermore, the Islamic ‘suicide bombing, beheading, and mutilation of bodies’ in different places are evidences prompted by these Koranic laws. These facts prove that even if Islam is not under attack, they will kill innocent people.

Muhammad even raided caravans and killed people during Kaaba pilgrimage. Kindly read;

The Truth:

After his eviction by the Meccans, Muhammad and his Muslims found refuge many miles away in Medina where they were not being bothered by their former adversaries. Despite this, Muhammad sent his men on seven unsuccessful raids against Meccan caravans before finally finding one – whereupon they murdered the driver and plundered the contents. This particular caravan was especially vulnerable because the attack came during the holy months, when the merchants were least expecting it due to the generally agreed upon rule that the tribes of the area would not attack each other during that time;

[A Muslim raider] who had shaved his head, looked down on them [the Meccan caravan], and when they saw him they felt safe and said, “They are pilgrims, you have nothing to fear from them.” (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 424, Ibn Kathir V.2 p.242) The shaved head caused the Muslims to look like pilgrims rather than raiders, which instilled a false sense of security in the drivers. However, Islam was a different sort of religion from what the Meccans were used to: [The Muslim raiders] encouraged each other, and decided to kill as many as they could of them and take what they had. Waqid shot Amr bin al-Hadrami with an arrow and killed him… (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 425; see also Ibn Kathir V.2 p.243) According to Ibn Kathir, the Muslims living in Mecca did not dispute that their brethren in Medina had killed, captured and stolen from the Quraish, but they were reluctant to accept that this had occurred during the sacred months: The Quraysh said that Muhammad and his Companions violated the sanctity of the Sacred Month and shed blood, confiscated property and took prisoners during it. Those who refuted them among the Muslims who remained in Makkah replied that the Muslims had done that during the month of Sha`ban (which is not a sacred month). (Ibn Kathir) Faced with losing face by admitting his error, Muhammad went into his hut and emerged with a convenient and timely revelation “from Allah” that provided retroactive permission for the raid (and, of course sanctioned the stolen possessions for his own use);

“They ask you concerning the sacred month about fighting in it. Say: Fighting in it is a grave matter, and hindering (men) from Allah’s way and denying Him, and (hindering men from) the Sacred Mosque and turning its people out of it, are still graver with Allah, and persecution is graver than slaughter” (Quran 2:217)

Notice that the Quran does not say that the Meccans were guilty of killing Muslims, only that they were “persecuting” them by preventing them from the ‘sacred mosque’ (the Kaaba). The killing of the Meccan driver by the Muslims was the first deadly encounter between the two adversaries. This is of acute embarrassment to contemporary Muslim apologists, who like to say that Islam is against killing for any reason other than self-defense.

For this reason, there has arisen the modern myth that the Muslims of that time were simply “taking back” what was theirs – rather than exacting revenge and stealing. Contemporary apologists like to say that Muhammad and his followers were basically robbed by the Meccans on their way out of town. (The 1976 movie, “The Message,” perpetuates this misconception as well).

Apologists are somewhat vague as to how property theft justifies killing (particularly on the part of someone they otherwise like to portray as the paragon of virtue); nor do they attempt to explain how the particular victims of subsequent Muslim raids (usually the caravan drivers and laborers) were directly responsible for this supposed theft. A larger problem is that there is no evidence to support the misconception that the Muslims were “taking back what was theirs”; in fact, it is specifically contradicted by the early historical record.

The event of the first attack on Meccan caravans is detailed quite well by Muhammad’s biographer, Ibn Ishaq/Hisham, but nowhere does he mention the contents of the caravan as being Muslim property. In fact Ishaq explicitly describes the goods as belonging to the Meccans: “A caravan of Quraish carrying dry raisins and leather and other merchandise of Quraish passed by…” (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 424)

Note also that the cargo plundered from the caravan included raisins, which would have long since perished had they been from grapes grown and dried by the Muslim before they left Mecca nearly a full year earlier. Moreover, a fifth of the loot was given to Muhammad as war booty, which would not have been the case if it rightfully belonged to another Muslim (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 425).

Most of the Muslims living in Mecca had few assets to begin with, having been drawn largely from the lower rungs of the social ladder, but those who did would have had several years to liquidate their assets or transport them to a new location. As the instigator of the discord, Muhammad was the only Muslim literally forced to flee Mecca in the dead of night, but even his business affairs were sewn up on his behalf by Ali, his son-in-law: Ali stayed in Mecca for three days and nights until he had restored the deposits which the apostle held. (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 335)

So, if the Muslims at Medina weren’t trying to recover stolen goods, why were they plundering Meccan caravans? Muhammad explains the real reason for the looting and the killing;

“If you have killed in the sacred month, they have kept you back from the way of Allah with their unbelief in Him, and from the sacred mosque, and have driven you from it when you were its people. This is a more serious matter with Allah then the killing of those of them whom you have slain. ‘And seduction is worse than killing.’ They used to seduce the Muslim in his religion until they made him return to unbelief after believing, and that is worse with Allah than killing.” (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 426)

Thus, the justification for killing the Meccans and stealing their goods is purely religious. The only thing stolen from the Muslims was their ability to enter the sacred mosque (ie. complete the Haj ritual at the Kaaba). The innocent caravan drivers were fair game for Muhammad’s deadly raids simply because Muslims felt “kept back from the way of Allah” by the “unbelief” of the Meccan leadership. This is all the more apparent by the next major episode in which Muhammad sent his men to plunder caravans, which precipitated the Battle of Badr:

When the Apostle heard about Abu Sufyan coming from Syria, he summoned the Muslims and said, “This is the Quraish caravan containing their property. Go out to attack it, perhaps Allah will give it as a prey.” (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 428) In this case the Meccans were returning to Mecca from a business trip to Syria. Any goods they were carrying would have been purchased from the Syrians.

Over the next nine years, the principal source of income for Muslims was wealth forcibly extracted from others. The targets of misfortune expanded well beyond the Meccans. By the time Muhammad died, his men were finding excuse to raid and steal from many other Arab tribes, Jews and Christians. Like the mafia, a protection racket gradually evolved where other tribes were allowed to live peacefully provided they paid tribute to Muslim rulers.

Kit Snow :

We could go back and forth forever on “history books and hadiths” that may or may not be accurate, the prophet Mohammed had the most books written against him than any other individual in history, so quoting me criteria that advises the prophet murdered and was a thief (which goes against the teachings of the Quran) is hard to take seriously. Let’s stay on topic of the Quran, God’s word and not on history books written and edited by man. I’m open to debate misconceptions in the Quran.

Renz Pejana : That is the last defense of Islam, deny the evidence as much as possible. These facts are supported by not just one author.  Just reflect on Muhammad’s personal life whether he’s moralist or not. He fucked a nine year old girl and grabbed his adopted son’s wife. If you were in the shoes of his adopted son, how would you feel? Muhammad had no sense of delicacy and respect. By this, we can analyze that he’s not a righteous man.

Kit Snow : 

“Evidence”?, “Facts”? Where are the facts about his wife being 9, actually if you do the math she is much older, supposedly. Look up Zakir Naiks talk on her age. And continuing on about facts…if what you stated was a fact, there would he no rational argument, but the actual fact is this topic of the caravans has been argued on both sides forever. It comes down to logic. If Mohammed did have a revelation and followed the revelation he recited. Than what is more likely, the accusation he raped, murdered and was a thief or that he didn’t?

Renz Pejana : These are the facts bout Aisha’s age;

Narrated Aisha: The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, “Best wishes and Allah’s Blessing and a good luck.” Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah’s Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of NINE YEARS of age. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234) 

Narrated Hisham’s father: Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married ‘Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was NINE YEARS OLD. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236)

About the revelations, of course Muhammad invented those in order to justify his acts, or else his followers would leave him. And about Zakir Naik, don’t believe him for he is a proven liar. He even thought that vitamin C was invented.

WATCH: Never Believe Zakir Naik

Here are another facts that Muhammad fucked Aisha at nine years in case you are not contented with my earlier facts given to you;

Narrated ‘Aisha that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was NINE YEARS old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death). (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64; see also Numbers 65 and 88) 


‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was NINE, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old. (Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3311)


Aisha said: The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) married me when I was seven years old. The narrator Sulaiman said: Or six years. He had intercourse with me when I was NINE YEARS old. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Number 2116)

Narrated Aisha: Ummul Mu’minin: The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) married me when I was seven or six. When we came to Medina, some women came. According to Bishr’s version: Umm Ruman came to me when I was swinging. They took me, made me prepared and decorated me. I was then brought to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him), and he took up cohabitation with me when I was NINE. She halted me at the door, and I burst into laughter. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 41, Number 49)

AND if you are really open for a debate about your Koran without outside source, I just give you only four questions to answer. Prove to the Christians that Koran is the inspired word of God. If you can’t, I hope you can realize how fake is Islam. Here they are;

  1. Islam believes Allah and the God of Abraham in the Bible are one. Qur’an says, none can change the word of God [6:115], How come Islam accused the Bible to be corrupted? It shows that Muslims don’t believe what Allah is declaring that his word cannot be corrupted or changed
  2. Allah claimed that he is God, (the all-wise, all-knower, and knower of the unseen). In verses [4:171 & 5:116] Allah thought that the persons in Trinity are Jesus, Mary, and Spirit of God/Allah (in truth it is God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit). How come he failed to know the persons of Trinity? It turned out that he is the ignorant God. If Allah does not know a simple topic here on Earth, how much more on matters about spirit and heavens?
  3. [Qur’an 12:39, 3:6, & 58:21] say Allah is almighty, strong, and wise, but Satan was able to sneak his words during Allah’s revelation to Muhammad [53:19-20]. It turns out that he has no control over Satan and Muhammad in uttering Satanic verses. [Deuteronomy 18:20] says, “But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.” So if Muhammad had uttered other gods and Allah was not able to stop him, the verdict is, these two are fake.
  4. In [Qur’an 15:19, 20:53, 43:10] Allah says that the Earth is spread out like carpet or shaped flat, but in actual, the Earth is globular or circle. The all-knower Allah turns out to be unknowing Allah.

Kit Snow :

How old was Mary, mother of Jesus when she married Joseph? 12. How old was the age of marriage in the USA just 100 years ago? Utah was 7, California was 10, all through out the USA it was 7-10 years of age. How old were the brides of Europen kings throughout History? 5-10 years old was common, yet I don’t see you pointing fingers at USA or Europe or antywhere else in the world . Marrying young was obviously common place even just 100 years ago all around the world.

There was no school or education or career a women is saving herself for back in those days, when she is scientifically and biologically fit to become a mother then she married, there was nothing else for a woman to do in those days besides make a family.

I always find anyone against Islam to always be angry in their debates, use disturbing language and name call.

What was the ‘Age of Consent’ in European and American history, prior to the 20th century? In this article, I shall bring forth evidences which demonstrate that the ‘Age of consent’ was indeed, very young, even by today’s standards. I will provide academic sources which show that girls were allowed to be married at the age of 10 years old and sometimes times, as young as 7 years old, legally. It was norm just over 100 years ago to see girls being married off at very young ages. In most cultures, the marriage would have been consummated at the onset of puberty. 1. Professor of history Margaret Wade Labarge “It needs to be remembered that many Medieval widows were not old, Important heiresses were often married between the ages of 5 and 10 and might find themselves widowed while still in their teens.” [1] 2. Professor Richard Wortley and Professor Stephen Smallbone, both of whom state that prior to the 1900s girls married very young, “In Medieval and early modern European societies, the age of marriage remained low, with documented cases of brides as young as seven years, although marriages were typically not consummated until the girl reached puberty (Bullough 2004). Shakespeare’s Juliet was just 13, and there is no hint in the play that this was considered to be exceptional. The situation was similar on the other side of the Atlantic; Bullough reports the case in 1689 of a nine-year-old bride in Virginia. At the start of the nineteenth century in England, it was legal to have sex with a 10 year-old girl.” [2] 3. In the book, ‘Sex and Society’, “Until the late 20th century U.S. age of consent laws specifically names males as perpetrators and females as victims. Following English law, in which the age was set at 12 in 1275 and lowered to 10 in 1576, ages of consent in the American colonies were generally set at 10 or 12. The laws protected female virginity, which at the time was considered a valuable commodity until marriage. The theft of a girl’s chastity was seen as a property crime against her father and future husband. If two people were married and had sex, no matter what their age, no crime was committed because a woman was her husband’s property. In practice, too, the consent laws only protected white females, as many non-white females were enslaved or otherwise discriminated against by the legal system.” [3] 4. Richard A. Posner is chief judge of the U.S court of appeals, Seventh Circuit Chicago. Katherine B. Silbaugh is associate Professor at Boston University School of Law, they say that before the 1900s age of consent was ten years old, “The law governing the age of consent has changed dramatically in the United States during this century. Most states codified a statutory age of consent during the nineteenth century, and the usual age was ten years.” [4] 5. The Scottish Law prior to 1900s by Sir John Comyns and Stewart Kyd, “By the law of Scotland, a woman cannot contrabere sponsalia before her age of seven years. 1 Rol. 343. I. 20. But by common law, persons may marry at any age. Co. Lit. 33. A. And upon such marriage the wife shall be endowed, if the attain the age of nine years, of what whatsoever age her husband be; but not before the age of nine years. Co. L. 33. A.” [5] 6. Professor of Sociology Anthony Joseph Paul Cortese says that a 50 year old man being with a girl under 10 (being intimate) Under United States law was legal until the mid 1960s, “In 1962, the American Law Institute recommended that the legal age of consent to sex- that is, the age below which sex is defined as statutory rape- be dropped in every state to age 10 (Katchadourian and Lund 1972: 439). In fact, until the mid 1960s, the legal age of consent in Delaware was 7 (Kling, 1965: 216). So a 50 year old man could legally have sexual intercourse with a 7 year old boy or girl.” [6] 7. Maureen Dabbagh is a writer and author. Born in Michigan, she serves as a Virginia Supreme Court Family Mediator, she echoes the same statements as previous authors, “…the nineteenth century, the minimum age of consent for sexual intercourse in most American states was 10 years. In Delaware it was only 7 years.” [7]

Renz Pejana : Kit Snow, being a prophet, a messenger of the word of God, Muhammad should have known the marriageable time for woman prescribed by God. He should set himself as a model of a Godly or refined behavior. Yes this activity was practiced before, but it doesn’t mean God instructed or allowed it. I’ll give you verses in the Bible about the marriageable age for woman;

[Ezekiel 16:7-8] ” I made you grow like a plant of the field. You grew and developed and entered puberty. Your breasts had formed and your hair had grown, yet you were stark naked. ‘Later I passed by, and when I looked at you and saw that you were old enough for love, I spread the corner of my garment over you and covered your naked body. I gave you my solemn oath and entered into a covenant with you, declares the Sovereign Lord, and you became mine. 

: The woman’s height has fully grown, her breast and pubic hair have grown and developed, and she is old enough for love (meaning she is morally conscious). Aisha was not fully grown and developed physically and mentally when Muhammad touched her. Why Muhammad failed to know the sexual prescription by God? Because it was not God who sent him. No prophets recorded in the Bible touching a child and raping women.

Contrary to the Bible, Quran permits touching a child girl. Verses [65:1-4] provide the specifications on when to divorce a wife. Verse [65:4] mentions a wife who has not menstruated as yet, or an immature girl. Kindly read;



“And those who no longer expect menstruation among your women – if you doubt, then their period is three months, and [also for] those who have not menstruated. And for those who are pregnant, their term is until they give birth. And whoever fears Allah – He will make for him of his matter ease.


And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the ‘Iddah (prescribed period), if you have doubts (about their periods), is three months, and for those who have no courses [(i.e. they are still immature) their ‘Iddah (prescribed period) is three months likewise, except in case of death]. And for those who are pregnant (whether they are divorced or their husbands are dead), their ‘Iddah (prescribed period) is until they deliver (their burdens), and whosoever fears Allah and keeps his duty to Him, He will make his matter easy for him.

AND also Quran permits raping (slave) woman [23:6]. Verses [23: 1-6] narrate the successful believers: those who are humble in their prayers; those who avoid vain talk; those who are active in deeds of charity; and those who abstain from sex except from their wives and SLAVES. Kindly read;



“Except from their wives or (the captives and slaves) that their right hands possess, for then, they are free from blame”

: this verse tells that it is not sinful for a Muslim man to fuck his slave. I doubt if these facts for you are righteous. I doubt if you can afford to give your child daughter in marriage or you have a sexual urge for a child. These are proofs that, it is Islam which corrupted or twisted the moral teaching of the Bible. Their allegation that the Bible is corrupted has no basis. Supposing that God really looked at the Bible as being corrupted, He must have given to Muhammad the original, the pure one. In contrast, God would be a liar if His word becomes corrupted, since He said that none can change His word.. The Bible teaches to have one wife only, but Koran teaches polygamy; the Bible teaches to love your enemy, but Koran teaches killing of disbelievers and even its believers if necessary.

About an angry audience or debater, Christians and Muslim alike have tendency to get angry.. From my own point of view, the main cause why Christians get angry at Islam debaters because they are liars, they are inventing lies just to appear they are correct in the eyes of Muslims. So far I have not yet watched a Muslim debater who is not lying. Muslims just didn’t know their leaders’ falsehood since they are ignorant of the Bible and even their own Koran. On my part, I am not angry, I am just telling the truth so that Muslims will know that they are misled by a fake religion.

And about Mary’s age when married, the Bible does not specify her age. And if you say the Quran has said that, I don’t believe it, because Quran does not even know Mary personally, It thought that Mary was Merriam the sister of Aaron and Moses, daughter of Imran.

Kit Snow : 

To answer your questions:

1.) Islam believes Allah and the God of Abraham in the Bible are one. Qur’an says, none can change the word of God [6:115], How come Islam accused the Bible to be corrupted? It shows that Muslims don’t believe what Allah is declaring that his word cannot be corrupted or changed

ANSWER : Sura 6:115 states “And the word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can alter His words, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing.” Muslims believe that the message sent to all the prophets, including Moses(Tora) and Yeshua(Injeel / Gospel) was meant for those specific people at that specific time. And it was never preserved. Now, the message of the Quran was meant for all mankind and is the last revelation. It has not been touched and remains preserved in it’s original language for over 1400 years to this day.

Renz Pejana : Brother, where is your evidence that the previous revelation was never preserved? God himself said none can change His revelation. You make God a liar by what you are saying. And where is your proof that Quran is meant for mankind? And how can you say Quran is pure? For after Muhammad’s death, there were many conflicting versions of Koran occurred. Uthman in his effort to solve the trouble, commanded to burn all copies except the version of Hudaifa.

READ: Is The Qur’an Pure?

Kit Snow :

2.) Allah claimed that he is God, (the all-wise, all-knower, and knower of the unseen). In verses [4:171 & 5:116] Allah thought that the persons in Trinity are Jesus, Mary, and Spirit of God/Allah (in truth it is God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit). How come he failed to know the persons of Trinity? It turned out that he is the ignorant God. If Allah does not know a simple topic here on Earth, how much more on matters about spirit and heavens? 


Sura 4:171 states “O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, “Three”; desist – it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.”

Sura 5:116 states And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, “O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, ‘Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah ?'” He will say, “Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen”

Nowhere in there does it claim that Allah thinks Mary is part of the trinity. in Sura 5:116 it mentions Mary because the Roman Catholics pray to statues of Mary as a saint. Brother, your understanding of these verses is off, maybe because you already have your mind made up instead of opening your heart and mind.

Renz Pejana : Brother, you are the one who should wake up, you are covering falsehood in Quran, don’t deny it, it is clear as the sky. Before my explanation, I should first put my own sources from revered translators of Quran because I have noticed you are eluding something. Here they are:



O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allah aught but the truth. The Messiah ‘Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah and His Word, (“Be!” – and he was) which He bestowed on Maryam (Mary) and a spirit (Ruh) created by Him; so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not: “Three (trinity)!” Cease! (it is) better for you. For Allah is (the only) One Ilah (God), Glory be to Him (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is All-Sufficient as a Disposer of affairs.


O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not “Trinity” : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.



And when Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary! Didst thou say unto mankind: Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah? he saith: Be glorified! It was not mine to utter that to which I had no right. If I used to say it, then Thou knewest it. Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I know not what is in Thy Mind. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Knower of Things Hidden?


And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, “O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, ‘Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah ?'” He will say, “Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen. 

: VERSE [4:171] warns the Christians not to worship Trinity or three gods. And verse [5:116] clearly emphasizes the gods of Trinity. Which are, “TAKE ME (JESUS) and MY MOTHER (MARY) as deities besides ALLAH.

Brother, Koran points out JESUS and MARY as deities besides ALLAH.. “Deity and Saint” are not synonymous. Verse [5:73] confirms [5:116] that it really meant Trinity and Allah is taken as the third of the three gods. It says;



They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the third of three; when there is no Allah save the One Allah. If they desist not from so saying a painful doom will fall on those of them who disbelieve.


They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them. 

Kit Snow :

3.) [Qur’an 12:39, 3:6, & 58:21] say Allah is almighty, strong, and wise, but Satan was able to sneak his words during Allah’s revelation to Muhammad [53:19-20]. It turns out that he has no control over Satan and Muhammad in uttering Satanic verses. [Deuteronomy 18:20] says, “But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.” So if Muhammad had uttered other gods and Allah was not able to stop him, the verdict is, these two are fake. 

ANSWER : Sura 53:19 “So have you considered al-Lat and al-‘Uzza?” Sura 53:20 “And Manat, the third – the other one?” Sura 53:21 ” Is the male for you and for Him the female?” Sura 53:22 “That, then, is an unjust division.” Sura 53:23 “They are not but [mere] names you have named them – you and your forefathers – for which Allah has sent down no authority. They follow not except assumption and what [their] souls desire, and there has already come to them from their Lord guidance.”

Let’s look at verse 23 again shall we, where Allah is saying the three fake gods people worshipped before have no authority. Again, you have quoted out of context my friend. There was no satanic verses.

Renz Pejana : Brother, I don’t know if you intend to mislead me, thinking that I had not done research before I made my questions, or you are just not aware about Satanic verses in Quran. In case you don’t know, I quoted statements from wikiislam for you. Here it is;

“The Satanic Verses (also the Gharaniq incident) was an incident where Prophet Muhammad acknowledged Allat, Manat, and al-Uzza, the goddesses of the Pagan Meccans in a Qur’anic revelation, only to later recant and claim they were the words of the Devil. Satanic Verses

Kit Snow :

4.) In [Qur’an 15:19, 20:53, 43:10] Allah says that the Earth is spread out like carpet or shaped flat, but in actual, the Earth is globular or circle. The all-knower Allah turns out to be unknowing Allah. 


Sura 15:19 “And the earth – We have spread it and cast therein firmly set mountains and caused to grow therein [something] of every well-balanced thing.”

Sura 20:53 “[It is He] who has made for you the earth as a bed [spread out] and inserted therein for you roadways and sent down from the sky, rain and produced thereby categories of various plants.” 

Sura 43:10 “[The one] who has made for you the earth a bed and made for you upon it roads that you might be guided” 

None of these verses suggest the earth is flat. It does indeed say he made the earth for us like a carpet, which it is for a human like a carpet.

Renz Pejana : First, I add another sources to clarify the said verses more. Here they are;



And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon mountains firm and immovable; and produced therein all kinds of things in due balance.


And the earth have We spread out, and placed therein firm hills, and caused each seemly thing to grow therein. 



“He Who has, made for you the earth like a carpet spread out; has enabled you to go about therein by roads (and channels); and has sent down water from the sky.” With it have We produced diverse pairs of plants each separate from the others. 


[It is He] who has made for you the earth as a bed [spread out] and inserted therein for you roadways and sent down from the sky, rain and produced thereby categories of various plants. 



Who has made for you the earth like a bed, and has made for you roads therein, in order that you may find your way 


(Yea, the same that) has made for you the earth (like a carpet) spread out, and has made for you roads (and channels) therein, in order that ye may find guidance (on the way)

: Brother, we don’t need to look for a specific “flat” word, just analyze the verses. We cannot spread out a ball (globe) like a carpet or bed. Quran describes the Earth having a flat surface, plane, or bed.

If I may add, I will give you prophetic verses from the true word of God (the Bible) about the Earth;

[Isaiah 40:22] It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in. 

: . . . above the circle of the Earth . . . If we look at the Earth from the moon or outer space, we can see that the Earth is a circle.

[Job 26:7] He stretches out the north over empty space; He hangs the earth on nothing

: . . . He hangs the Earth on nothing . . . If we look at the Earth from the outer space, we can see that the Earth has nothing to sit on or to cling to. The Bible accurately describes the position of the Earth. It is placed in an empty space, and it is as if hanged on nothing.


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My rebuttal to a Muslim’s claims about Qur’an and the Bible

I had a debate with a Muslim, in the course of our debate I told him that the Quran is mainly written by Muhammad, and he gave me his answers below accompanied with links. I checked his source and I had found lies after lies perpetrated by its author, so I had to rebut these lies. 

MUSLIM: Your allegation that the Quran is mainly written by Muhammad and his cohorts is a lie, read


That is one of the Masters of Arts of Islam, Master of Arts in Lying and Master of Arts in Denying. These facts are supported by several Hadiths depending on the statement. However to cover this shame, Muslim apologists deny these Hadiths and instead acknowledge only few Hadiths, including Bukhari which contains less shameful facts compared to the ones rejected. Nonetheless, assuming that these rejected Hadiths are indeed fabricated, let us use our common sense in analyzing the Koranic verses given by your source, and also I will provide Koranic verses to support my argument so that Muslim apologists will have no room for denial, here are the verses given by your source;

a.) “A.L.R. this is a book whose verses have been perfected” 11:1 

My Rebuttal : “. . . have been perfected”,  why there is a need for perfection? It means before the perfection there were flaws existed while this book was revealed by the all-wise Allah in detail to Muhammad. The fact that Allah changed or perfected Their revelations, it means They are not God. Allah have the reputation of being all-wise, all-knower, and knower of the unseen; but unfortunately errors had room in Their declarations. They failed to know the visible things and failed to see the unseen.

b.) “……the words of God are unchangeable” 10:64

My Rebuttal : This verse Koranic 10:64 further complicates the issue of contradiction in Quran for it tells us that none can change the words of Allah, But in verses [2:106 & 16:101] Allah substituted Their previous revelations. To prove;

[Quran 16:101] “And when We substitute a verse in place of a verse – and Allah is most knowing of what He sends down – they say, “You, [O Muhammad], are but an inventor [of lies].” But most of them do not know.”

Comment: Verse 16:101 tells us that Allah, the all-knowing and knower of the unseen changed Their previous revelations. What is funny after Allah changed Their former revelations, They still have the audacity to claim that They are the most knowing. Allah also failed to stop Muhammad from receiving and uttering Satanic revelations [Q53:19-20], that’s why Allah needed to correct those revelations (Q22:52). This reality proves that Allah is not almighty and all-knowing. Additionally, Muhammad is a fake prophet, consider this verse;

[Deuteronomy 18:20] “But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

Comment: If Muhammad had uttered other gods and his Allah was not able to stop satanic revelations, the verdict is, both of them are fake. 

2.)  Read “Quran and Bible comparison”, you will know the truth:


About your second source, I want to point out the author’s lying or ignorance about the Bible. 

To quote;


Old Testament 

“Naturally, there have been many different translations to a great number of languages over the centuries and one could not expect them (books of Bible) to be identical in text or meaning”

My Rebuttal: One could not expect them to be identical in text or meaning? In text yes, but in meaning, there are 2.3 Billions Christians believe that the books in the Bible are agreeing to each other. 

New Testament 

“To mention two very clear differences for example; the Catholic Bible [c. 325 A.D] contains 73 books in total, while the Protestant Bible contains only 66 books”

My Rebuttal: I wonder why the author labeled this topic as New Testament but he tackled the whole Bible instead. But anyway, I proceed to answering his allegation; The Protestantism is a rebellion of Catholicism in 1517. That is their own religious principle to use only 66 books in their Bible version. The Protestants just took out 7 books from the original Bible (compiled by Catholicism). They did not alter the message or idea of any book making it different from the original. 


The  Quran Means “Recitation” 

My Rebuttal : What makes it special? I don’t see the importance of being recited and written. Reciting is no longer new to the Hebrews for they recited the contents of their Scripture long before Islam. And what is wrong of being written? God himself wrote His Ten commandments on the stone tablets twice. 

The author says; “the documentation in writing about the Quran has been preserved in museums throughout the world, including the Topekopi Palace in Istanbul, Turkey, the museum in Tashkent, Uzbekistan and also in England” 

My Rebuttal : Provided that this claim is true, but how about in the earlier time of Islam? Was the Quran or Recitation safe after Muhammad died? Bukhari reported that there were four versions of Quran copies or Recitations emerged. And to avoid this problem, Uthman ordered to burn all copies except the version of Hudhaifa (Sahih al-Bukhari 6:61:510). Also Read:

Koran has Only One Version – Arabic

My Rebuttal: What makes special in the one version? Even if the Koran was written originally in Arabic alone, it could not escape from lies, errors, and contradictions stated within. Moreover, it is not true that the Quran has only one Arabic version, nowadays, the Quran has thirty one Arabic versions In contrast, having many authors adds the uniqueness of the Bible, since how come the messages of the books agree considering that they were written by different authors, as well as written in different regions, languages, and generations?

The Koran is Memorized by Millions – Entirely  

 “The important thing to keep in mind about the Quran is the memorization and transmission of the actual “Recitation” just as it came to Muhammad” 

My Rebuttal : . . . actual recitation” just as it came to Muhammad This statement is a big fat lie. We know that there were various versions of recitations happened after Muhammad died. Uthman selected one version out many versions of Qurans _the version of Hudaifa. The rest of the copies of Quran were burned by Uthman. However, despite of Uthman’s effort, there are still many Arabic Qurans today.  And I doubt if there are ten Millions had memorized the Quran. Even Muhammad himself was not able to memorize all of the so-called revelations

Each Muslim Has “Quran” Memorized

My Rebuttal: This is utterly a lie. I have a Muslim Girlfriend and she could not memorize a single verse in Quran, how much more the entire book? Most Muslims today are ignorant of their Scriptures. Moreover, Islamic history tells us that only few Muslims could recite the Quran, even Muhammad could not recite the whole Quran. 

God Speaks in First Person to Mankind in Quran 

My Rebuttal: Another lie. Allah transmitted Their message to Muhammad through the so-called Angel Gabriel. Nowhere in Quran that says Allah appeared and talked to Muhammad. In the Bible, God himself talked to Adam in person [Genesis 3:10-11]; appeared to Abraham in three persons [Genesis 18:1-2]; wrestled with Jacob as a person or man [Genesis 32:24]; showed to Moses and Israelites in the form of cloud and fire [Exodus 13:21]. Likewise, God dwelt with the Israelites in the form of Jesus [read the Gospel]. Moreover, the said angel Gabriel did not introduce his name to Muhammad, In fact, Muhammad thought it was Satan who squeezed him since it tortured him. It was Kahdija his wife who concluded that it was angel Gabriel because it disappeared when she and Muhammad performed sexual acts [Sira No. 154, Ishaq].

Quran Mentions Itself  

My Rebuttal: What makes special of mentioning itself? What is more important, the mentioning or essence of the Scripture? The Quran has a lot of contradictions, ignorance, killing commandments, and immoral teachings. 

Quran Describes God’s Nature Exactly 

My Rebuttal: How did you know that the Koranic description of God is His exact nature? How can you believe Quran if it’s filled with ignorance, contradictions, falsehood, and myths? The Quran teaches that the sun sets in the muddy spring of the Earth (18:85-86); it teaches that there are seven flat Earths and seven solid skies; it also teaches that the stars were made by Allah as missiles to shoot evil spirits (37:6-7 & 67:5); and many more. Additionally, Muhammad saw his Allah as a man with uncircumcised penis .

“There is no room left for doubt after reading the Quran in the Arabic language”.

My Rebuttal: So if you read Quran in English, you will have room left for doubt after? If that so, it is better for Mecca to abolish all the translations of Quran, and kept their Islam themselves alone. You know what, this is one of the defenses of your religion, if it has no room left to explain the Koranic problem, your leaders simply reject the translation. I tell you, Arabic language is not alien, hence it is translatable. It is natural to have a slight divergence in the translation, but the contradictions in Quran are so grievous that it can never be justified. There are three, four, and even seven contradicting statements in one topic. Moreover, the Quran not only contains ignorant, false, and contradicting statements, but also Satanic verses _these problems in Quran definitely are not caused by wrong translation.

“He is for instance, the All-Knowing; the All-Hearing; the All-Seeing; the All-Forgiving; the All- Loving; the All-Merciful; the Only One God. There is never a contradiction to this found anywhere in the Quran”.

My Rebuttal : The all-wise Allah, all-knower, and knower of the unseen? I doubt it, for Allah replaced his revelations [2:106 & 16:101]. Likewise, Satan was able to sneak his verses during Allah’s revelation to Muhammad, and Allah was not able to prevent Muhammad from uttering other gods. Muhammad in that event became the prophet of Satan. So it means Allah is powerless to know all and to see the unseen.

. . . There is never a contradiction . . . Islam gives you confusions: they say,  “our Quran contains no contradictions”, but you can find much contradictions in it ; Muslims say, “we are a religion of peace”,  but their Quran commands killing of all non-Muslims; Muslims say, “there is no compulsion in our religion”, but they execute their members who wanted to leave Islam; Muslims say, “Jesus did no die and resurrect”, but you can find a Koranic verse telling Jesus will die and resurrect (19:33); Muslims say, “Jesus is just human made of dust”, but you can find a Koranic verse telling Jesus is God; and many more inconsistent claims. 

On the other hand, our God Jesus never erred, He’s flawless and powerful. He stopped the storm, expelled legion of demons from the possessed men, cured inborn physical disability, cured the grievous sicknesses like leprosy, He raised dead people and rose from the dead Himself. And He will come back to judge the people including Muslims [Ibn Kathir’s tafsir on Quran 43:61].

Scientific Miracles in Quran

My Rebuttal: When it comes to miracles and prophesies, the Bible has so much in it. But the so-called miracles in Quran are hoax and propaganda. Muslims just don’t know the false claims of their leaders because they are ignorant of their own scriptures. I tell you, there is no single miraculous verse in Quran. I will expose the falsehood of these so-called prophetic claims soon. 

“Bible” is NOT in the Bible 

My Rebuttal : I don’t know if the author of your source is ignorant of the Bible or he purposely twisted the truth. He is telling that the New Testament was not yet in the Bible at the time of Timothy, therefore, Paul was wrong to say to Timothy that he studied the Bible or Holy Scripture. Your source quoted this, Since you were a young man you have studied the holy scriptures, all scriptures inspired by God”,  as evidence that the Bible is not in the Bible.

First let me put down the complete verse, so that I can explain to you well. Here it is;

[2 Timothy 3:15] “And that from a child you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus”.

Of the numerous Bible translations [], I have not encountered a word “studied” but instead “taught or known” are generally used. If we talk about Holy Scriptures or Writings, it does not mean the Bible itself. This refers to the different Books inspired by God. Any book in the Bible can be called Holy Scripture. The Old Testament can be called Holy Scriptures as well. The word “Bible” is derived from the Koine Greek word “Ta Biblia” means “the books”. The Bible is composed of different writings which early Christians believed as inspired by God, but not all Holy Scriptures or books are in the Bible. In either way, whether Paul referred to the Old Testament or New Testament, or to both Scriptures, he was correct in saying to Timothy “you have known the Holy Scriptures”. Because the knowledge about God Jesus at the time of Timothy was already there. Paul and other Apostles were already writing and announcing to the people about the “good news or Gospel”. In fact, what the author of your source failed to realize is that, he is using the verse quoted from the Book of 2 Timothy written by Paul to Timothy, and this Book is a Holy Scripture for it is one of the Books in the New Testament. So, how come the author of your source said that the New Testament was not yet existing at the time of Timothy? All books in the New Testament are about Jesus. The author of your source shows his ignorance of the Bible.

Bible Curses Church Fathers Who REMOVED Book of Revelations

My Rebuttal: For your information, the Catholic Church never removed any book from the Bible, it was the Protestant Church which removed the seven books from the original Bible. For the first 1,400 years there was no other Christian Church emerged except the Catholicism. After Martin Luther was excommunicated by the Roman Catholic Church, he founded his own Church in 1517 called ‘Protestantism’. He questioned which books should be part of his own Biblical canon.  At various times he advocated removing the Book of Hebrews, James, Jude, and Revelation.  However, when he translated the Bible into German language, he kept the mentioned books. Therefore it was the Protestant Church which removed and put back the Book of revelation in their own Bible version.  As you know, not only Islam that severely attack the Catholic Church, but also the Protestantism and its offshoots (like Seventh  Day Adventist, Born Again, etc.).  Martin Luther removed some books from the original Bible for a couple reasons. First, he disagreed with a few doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church derived from these books, like purgatory and prayers for the dead. Second, these books contradicted with his faith-in-Jesus-alone doctrine. 

Whose Word Is It? 

[The author says; “So if you go to the Bible and point out some mistakes that are in it, you are going to be told (by Christians): Those mistakes were not there in the original manuscript, they have crept in so that we see them there today”.]

My Rebuttal : Excuse me, it is Islam which uses this alibi. Which religion keeps telling that the original Arabic writing is correct, without contradictions, you can feel no doubt after you read, etc.? If there is a question raised against the Bible, Christians dig into it for an answer. And if there is any error of the translation from the origin, they show the evidence. Unlike Islam, which used to tell people that the Arabic version of Koran is correct, and only the translation made it wrong. For your information, the Bible is not only prophetic, but also historical. When it comes to prophesy (the word or act of God), the Bible is infallible. The supposed contradictions fell to the historical side. The Bible is 99-98 percent accurate, so its percentage of credibility is still high. How can a man preserve documents from 3400 years ago without a single flaw? 

 Are There Mistakes?

[The author of your source presented verses ‘2 Samuel 10:18’ and ‘1 Chronicles’ being in contradiction suppossedly.]

[2 Samuel 10:18] And the Syrians fled before Israel; and David slew the men of seven hundred chariots of the Syrians, and forty thousand horsemen, and smote Shobach the captain of their host, who died there.

[1 Chronicles 19:18] But the Syrians fled before Israel; and David slew of the Syrians seven thousand men which fought in chariots, and forty thousand footmen, and killed Shophach the captain of the host.

My Rebuttal : Actually there are two contradictions raised by bible critics about this allegation; One, is the supposed numerical contradiction between the seven hundred mentioned in 2 Samuel and the seven thousands mentioned in 1 chronicles, Another is the forty thousand men who were slain by David which described as horsemen in 2 Samuel and footmen in 1 chronicles. But the author of your source just concerned of the latter. Nevertheless, I will solve the two of them. 

First, keep in mind that 2 Samuel and 1 Chronicles were written by different authors. Each writer has his own way of presenting his report, so you cannot expect a similar wordings or figures of their narratives. Likewise, if you have spotted dissimilar wordings or numerical figures in their reports, it does not mean these data are contradicting, rather they can be two pieces of information as well.

If you can notice, the seven hundred mentioned in 2 Samuel is referred to the number of chariots, while the seven thousands mentioned in 1 chronicles is referred to the number of men in the chariots.

If you are a soldier whose means of transportation is only a horse, you can be called as a horseman or cavalier. And if you get down from a horse in order to fight on foot, then you can be called as footsoldier or footman. In the battle, horsemen and footmen can be applied interchangeably. 

 How Did Judas Die?

[The author quoted ‘Matthew 27:5’ and ‘Acts 1:18 as contradicting allegedly. The preceding verse Judas hanged himself, while in the proceeding verse Judas fell headlong.] 

My Rebuttal: First, let us read the alleged verses;

[Matthew 27:5] Then Judas threw the silver coins down in the Temple and went out and hanged himself.

[Acts 1:18] With the reward of his wickedness Judas bought a field, and falling headlong, he burst open in the middle and all his intestines spilled out.

Mathew 27:5 tells us the cause of Judas death, which is ‘he hanged himself’. While Acts 1:18 tells us what happened to the hanged dead body of Judas. When his corpse started to decompose, it fell headlong and his stomach burst open, spilling out his intestines. Acts 1:18 is not a contradiction with Matthew 27:5, but rather a continuation of Judas’ death account.


Before you exalt your religion and assail accusations against the Bible, resolve first the blunder in your Quran, Don’t you know that your Allah does not know the persons of Trinity doctrine of Christianity? Here are the proofs;

[Koran 4:171] “O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of God aught but the truth. CHRIST JESUS the son of MARY was (no more than) an apostle of God, and His Word, which He bestowed on MARY, and a SPIRIT proceeding from Him: so believe in God and His apostles. Say not “TRINITY” : desist: it will be better for you: for God is one God: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is God as a Disposer of affairs.”

[Koran 5:116] And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, “O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, ‘TAKE ME AND MY MOTHER AS DEITIES BESIDES ALLAH ?'” He will say, “Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is knower of the unseen.

In the verses above, the all-wise, all-knower, and knower-of-the-unseen Allah thought that the Trinity persons are JESUS, MARY, and ALLAH.

Quran has many errors, but this error is great. This could never have happened since the Trinity is the main issue of the Islamic accusation against Catholicism. If Allah do not know about a simple subject here on Earth, how much more about Heavenly and spiritual matters? These verses will demolish Islam if its Billion followers can know and understand this fact. Take note that the Quran also failed to identify Mary mother of Jesus, it thought that Mary was Merriam, sister of Aaron and daughter of Imran; Also it failed to describe the shape of the Earth, it thinks that the Earth is spread like carpet [15:19, 20:53, 43:10]; Also, Allah thought that the Earth and the sky were once a solid piece and later separated [21:30]. These errors confirm the notion that the Quran was mainly written by Muhammad and his cohorts.

Muhammad had scribes that wrote his revelations down for him. One scribe was `Abdullah Ibn Sa’d Ibn Abi Sarh. As Sarh wrote these revelations down, he frequently made suggestions on improving their wording. Muhammad often agreed and allowed the changes to be made. Eventually, Sarh left Islam, knowing it could not be from God if a mere scribe were allowed to change God’s word. Later, after the conquest of Mecca, Muhammad ordered Sarh’s death.

To those who do not know about Trinity, the Holy Trinity is a doctrine of the Catholic Church that God is one nature but emphasized Himself to mankind in three persons, namely, (God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit). 


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My answers to 50,000 Bible errors allegation

A photo of book of Psalms in the Bible

I had come across a Muslim on Youtube who showcased the alleged 50,000 errors in the Bible. It triggered me and could not help but to answer his accusation although the verses in question are seemed massive as I had thought at first _thus require a lot of time and effort. But in actual, he could not cite even 35 out of those alleged 50,000 errors that he exposed. I copypasted here my answers to these supposed errors hoping that it can help you in case you will be confronted with the same allegations as mentioned below. I just did not include the name of the Muslim and our conversation. I had also raised to him only five of my allegations against the Quran but as usual, Muslims cannot answer.

… BIBLE IS FULL OF SCIENTIFIC ERRORS & CONTRADICTIONS. Over 50,000 Errors and Contradictions in the bible and here are a few of them:

1.) The Bible speaks about the creation of the universe. In the beginning, 1st Book of Genesis, 1st Ch., it is mentioned – It says… ‘Almighty God created the Heavens and the Earth, in six days and talks about an evening and a morning, referring to a 24 – hour day. Today scientists tell us, that the universe cannot be created in a 24-hour period of six days. Qur’an too speaks about six ‘ayyams’. The Arabic word singular is ‘yaum’ plural is ‘ayyam’. It can either mean a 24 hours day, or it is a very long period, a “Yaum”, or an epoch. Scientists say we have no objection in agreeing that the universe could have been created in 6 very long periods.

ANSWER: Christians are divided on this matter, but I agree to those who say that the creation days should be a long period. Our time is determined through rotation of the Earth with respect to the sun. In the first and second day, the Earth was not yet formed, hence we couldn’t say that the creation day mentioned in the Bible is referred to Earthly day. This creation day should be referred to Heavenly or Godly day. God must be based in Heaven while He created the universe. Though God is everything, it is unlikely that He’s within the bounds of His object of creation (the universe) while creating it. In fact, the size of God’s spirit is larger than the size of the universe [Jeremiah 23:24]. Therefore, God did not follow the rotation of the earth as His day determinant. Likewise, the Bible says that a day of our Lord is like thousand years. Kindly check the following verses;

[Psalm 90:4]  A thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night 

[2 Peter 3:8] But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day 

2.) Bible says in Genesis 1: 3 – 5, ‘Light was created on the first day.’ Genesis, 1:14 – 19… ‘The cause of light – stars and the sun, etc. were created on the fourth day. How can the cause of light be created on the 4th day – later than the light which came into existence on the first day? – It is unscientific.

ANSWER: In the first day, God created light amidst the darkness. Then He separated the light from the darkness, and called the light ‘day’ and called darkness ‘night’. This refers not to the heavenly body that gives light like a shining star, but rather this refers to the light itself. While in the fourth day, the created lights are referred to the two shining heavenly bodies (the sun and moon) which God specially made to give light to Earth. And these two great lamps govern the day and night, as well as, serve as indicators of seasons. God also made the stars in this period. If He is able to make the source of light, how much more the light itself? In fact, God is the creator of light and darkness, consider this verse;

[Isaiah 45:7] I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things 

♦Science is not applicable to God because He’s the one who causes it. 

3.) Bible says Genesis, 1: 9 – 13… ‘Earth was created on the 3rd day. How can you have a night and day without the earth? The day depends upon the rotation of the Earth Without the earth created, how can you have a night and day?

ANSWER: I have already answered this in your first question. You claimed that you got 50,000 scientific errors and contradictions in the Bible, but out of that massive number, you choose to repeat a question in line with the other. Again, the creation day mentioned in the Bible should be referred to Heavenly day, and not Earthly day. God must be located outside of His creation (the universe) while He created it. This night (darkness) and day (light) should be Heavenly.

4.) Genesis 1: 9-13 ‘Earth created on 3rd day.’ Genesis 1:14 -19 ‘The Sun and the Moon were created on 4th day.’… ‘Earth is part of the parent body… the sun.’ It cannot come into existence before the sun – It is unscientific.

ANSWER: To the question on which heavenly body would be created first, this not matters to God because nothing is impossible to Him [Luke 1:37]. You said this because you think that it is the sun which upholds the planets (including the Earth) in our solar system. But you failed to ask yourself who upholds the sun? It is God who upholds the sun, in fact, not just a single body in the universe but the whole universe [Hebrew 1:3]. So if God can uphold the whole Universe how much more the Earth alone? Therefore, it is possible that God made the Earth first before the sun. In a recent study, Science has found out that the Earth’s water is older than the sun. So it means that the Earth is older than the sun. The Bible is amazingly correct. This proves that Science is not applicable to God. 

5.) The Bible says in Genesis, 1:11 – 13…‘the vegetation, the herbs the shrubs, the trees – they were created on the 3rd day And the Sun, Genesis, 1: 14 -19, was created on the 4th day. How can the vegetation come into existence without sunlight, and how can they survive without sunlight?

ANSWER: As I have answered in your fourth question, “nothing is impossible to God”, He can create all things [Job 42:2], If He can produce a sun, then how much more the vegetation on Earth without the sun? In fact, God is light Himself [1 John 1:5] therefore His energy could take care of the vegetation while the sun is being prepared. The problem of our Muslim brothers is that they limit the capability of God, they look at the capability of God as human. They believe that God is everything, but ironically they don’t believe that God could distribute or multiply His Spirit, or appear to people in human form.

6.) The Bible says in Genesis, Ch. 1:16, that…‘God created two lights the greater light, the Sun to rule the day, and the lesser light the Moon, to rule the night. The actual translation, if you go to the Hebrew text, it is ‘lamps’…‘Lamps having lights of its own.’ And that you will come to know better, if you read both the Verses – Genesis, 1:16, as well as 17. Verse No.17 says…‘And Almighty God placed them in the firmament, to give light to the earth… To give light to the earth.’ Indicating, that Sun and the Moon has its own light – which is in contradiction with established scientific knowledge

ANSWER: I think you want to emphasize that the Moon has no light of its own, thus the Bible committed an error in referring it as a lamp. Well, the fact that the moon could shine through a whole night or half night upon Earth, this is as good as it has its own light or power. In our modern time, we employ a source of light that is powered by solar energy that could shine for long as if it has its own source of power, yet we people called this invention as a lamp. The Bible aready knew that the moonlight is dependent on the light of the sun. Kindly read this verse;

[Mark 13:24] But in those days, following that distress, “the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light”

[Ezekiel 32:7]  And when I extinguish you, I will cover the heavens and darken their stars; I will cover the sun with a cloud and the moon will not give its light 

♦The above verses tell the relationship between the sun and the moon. If God covers the sun, the Moon will not give its light. The verses point out that the light of the moon depends on the light of the sun. These verses are strikingly prophetic and scientific.

7.) Regarding the concept of Earth, there are various Scientists who have described… ‘How will the world end?’ Hypothesis – Some may be right, some may be wrong. But either the world will perish or the world will live forever. Both cannot take place simultaneously – It is unscientific. But this is exactly what the Bible says. It is mentioned in the Bible, in the book of Hebrews, 1 :10 – 11, and the book of Psalms,102 :25- 26, that…‘Almighty God created the Heavens and the Earth, and they will perish.’ Exactly opposite is mentioned in the book of Ecclesiastics, 1:4, and the book of Psalms, 78:69, that… ‘The earth will abide forever.’ The world cannot abide forever as well as perish – It is unscientific.

ANSWER: Kindly click this link;  Psalms 102:25-26 Say The Earth will perish, But (Ecclesiastes 1:4 And Psalms 78:69) Say The Earth Abides Forever 

8.) Regarding ‘the Heavens’, the Bible says in Job, 26: 11, that…‘The pillars of the Heaven will tremble.’ Qur’an says in Surah Luqman, 31:10, that…‘The Heavens are without any pillars – Don’t you see? Don’t you see the Heavens are without any pillars? – Bible says heaven have got pillars.

ANSWER:  Let us put up first the verse in question so that to analyze it;

[Job 26:11] The pillars of the heavens tremble and are astonished at his rebuke 

The word ‘pillar’ used in this verse means ‘foundation or mainstay’. They are not posts of a structure, this should not be taken literally. If we say, ”the husband is the pillar of the family”, it means he is the foundation of the family or he is the chief part of the family. Consider its parallel verse below; 

[2 Samuel 22:8] Then the earth shook and quaked, the foundations of heavens were trembling and were shaken, because He was angry

: So, it is the foundations of the heavens that tremble, and not the literal pillars or posts. If a structure has no foundation or chief support, it will collapse easily. If your Quran says, “the heavens are without any pillars”, then don’t believe that, because a structure cannot stand or endure without a foundation. If your Quran does not know about Trinity on Earth, how much more in matters about universe? By the way, your prophetic Quran thinks that the persons of Trinity are Jesus, Mary, Spirit/Allah [Q 4:171 & 5:116]. In truth, they are the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. 

♦Indeed, it is your Quran that contains much errors. The so-called errors in the Bible are lies and fabrications, if not, they are prompted by ignorance or incapability of the accuser to comprehend the Bible. If you can notice on the passages I provided earlier, the Bible can defend itself against accusations for it provided verses to support the other, unlike Quran which cannot, Quran is far nothing compared to the Bible. And speaking of pillars, it is your Quran that says there are invisible pillars erected between the dome-shaped sky and flat Earth (13:2). The only good in Islam is LYING that the Bible is corrupted, and DENYING any evidence that can ruin itself. I hope you can sense this fact and leave this pagan cult. 

9.) Not only do the Heavens have got pillars – Bible says in the first book of Samuel,2 :8, as well as the book of Job 9:6, and the book of Psalms Ch. No.75, Verse No.3, that… ‘Even the earth has got pillars.’

ANSWER: Again you put up question similar to the other. The ‘pillar’ used in the verses you mentioned means ‘foundation or mainstay’. I’ll Lay down the verses you questioned; 

a. [1 Samuel 2:8] 

English Standard Version
He raises up the poor from the dust; he lifts the needy from the ash heap to make them sit with princes and inherit a seat of honor. For the pillars of the earth are the LORD’s, and on them he has set the world. 

New International Version
He raises the poor from the dust and lifts the needy from the ash heap; he seats them with princes and has them inherit a throne of honor. “For the foundations of the earth are the LORD’s; on them he has set the world. 

b. [Job 9:6] 

New American Standard Bible
Who shakes the earth out of its place, And its pillars tremble; 

New Living Translation
He shakes the earth from its place, and its foundations tremble. 

c. [Psalm 75:3] 

New International Version
When the earth and all its people quake, it is I who hold its pillars firm.

New Living Translation
When the earth quakes and its people live in turmoil, I am the one who keeps its foundations firm

: From the translations above, the words ‘pillars’ and ‘foundations’ are used interchangeably, so they are synonymous. 

Also check these another verses that mention about the foundations of the Earth; 

[Job 38:4] Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding 

[Isaiah 48:12-13] Listen to Me, O Jacob, even Israel whom I called; I am He, I am the first, I am also the last. My own hand laid the foundations of the earth, and my right hand spread out the heavens; when I summon them, they all stand up together. 

In physical aspect, if the Earth has no foundations it would have broken apart. 

10.) The Bible says in the book of Genesis, 1:29, that… ‘God has given you all the herbs bearing seeds, the trees bearing fruits – those that bear seed, as meat for you.’ New International Version says… ‘The seed bearing plants and the trees bearing fruits bearing seeds are food for you, all of them.’ Today, even a layman knows that there are several poisonous plants like wild berries, stretchy, datary, plants containing, alkaloid, polyandry, brachiopod – that which if you ingest, if you eat there are high possibilities you may die. How come the Creator of the universe and the human beings, does not know, that if you have these plants, you will die.

ANSWER: First, let me put down [Genesis 1:29] which says;

“I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food” 

Take note that when God provided those food, the soil was not yet under curse. And the first couple were in the Garden of Eden (the paradise). They could eat from any tree there except from the tree of knowledge [Genesis 2:16-17]. But not anymore after they sinned since the ground was cursed by God, and it started to produce harsh plants. Kindly read the proceeding verses;

[Genesis 3:17-19] Then he said to the man, “You listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree, although I commanded you, ‘You must never eat its fruit.’ The ground is cursed because of you. Through hard work you will eat [food that comes] from it every day of your life. The ground will grow thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field. By the sweat of your brow, you will produce food to eat until you return to the ground, because you were taken from it. You are dust, and you will return to dust.” 

11.) The Bible says in the book of Leviticus, 14:49 -53 – it gives a novel way for disinfecting a house from plague of leprosy… disinfecting a house from plague of leprosy. It says that… ‘Take two birds, kill one bird, take wood, scale it – and the other living bird, dip it in water… and under running water – later on sprinkle the house 7 times with it. Sprinkle the house with blood to disinfect against plague of leprosy? You know blood is a good media of germs, bacteria, as well as toxin – It is unscientific 

Verses in question: [Leviticus 14:49-52] 49 To purify the house he is to take two birds and some cedar wood, scarlet yarn and hyssop. 50 He shall kill one of the birds over fresh water in a clay pot. 51 Then he is to take the cedar wood, the hyssop, the scarlet yarn and the live bird, dip them into the blood of the dead bird and the fresh water, and sprinkle the house seven times. 52 He shall purify the house with the bird’s blood, the fresh water, the live bird, the cedar wood, the hyssop and the scarlet yarn. 

ANSWER: The sprinkling of blood is not really meant to clean the house physically so as to disinfect the skin disease and mildew, but it is more on atonement to God. Consider the proceeding verse [Leviticus 14:53] which says; 

Then he is to release the live bird in the open fields outside the town. In this way he will make atonement for the house, and it will be clean.”

This cleansing ritual is more on spiritual purpose rather than physical. Take note that this plague was put by God [Leviticus 14:34], therefore this skin disease and mildew could only be removed by God, and not by the cleansing ritual itself. 

12.) The book of Leviticus, 12:1 – 5, says that… ‘After a woman gives birth to a male child, she will be unclean for 7 days, and the period of un-cleanliness will continue for 33 days more. If she gives birth to a female child, she will be unclean for two weeks, and the period of un-cleanliness will continue for 66 days. In short, if a woman gives birth to a male child… ‘A son’, she is unclean for 40 days. If she gives birth to a female child… ‘a daughter’, she is unclean for 80 days – It is unscientific

ANSWER: Because in that time and place God was walking with the Israelites, He monitored them. Since God is holy, uncleanliness is detestable to Him. He is not just particular about spiritual hygiene but also physical hygiene, consider the following verses; 

[Exodus 23:14] “Since the LORD your God walks in the midst of your camp to deliver you and to defeat your enemies before you, therefore your camp must be holy; and He must not see anything indecent among you or He will turn away from you.

[Leviticus 11:44] I am the LORD your God; consecrate yourselves and be holy, because I am holy. Do not make yourselves unclean by any creature that moves along the ground.

[Exodus 19:10] The LORD also said to Moses, “Go to the people and consecrate them today and tomorrow, and let them wash their garments. 

Whenever God walked in the midst of Israelites, He required them to perform spiritual and body cleansing or else He would turn away. Now, to the question why female has a long period of cleansing than male? maybe because female has more physical uncleanness than male, particularly their periodic blood discharges. 

13.) The Bible says in Genesis, 9:13-17, that… ‘After God, at the time of Noah submerged the world by flood and after the flood’ subsided, He said… ‘I put up a rainbow in the sky as a promise to the humankind never to submerge the world again, by water. But today we know very well, that rainbow is due to the refraction of sunlight, with rain or mist. Surely there must have been thousands of rainbows before the time of Noah PBUH. To say it was not there before Noah’s time you have to assume that the law of refraction did not exist – which is unscientific.’

ANSWER: Science tells us that a rainbow occurs when raindrops and sunshine cross paths. Sunlight consists of all the colors of light which add together to make white illumination. Thus no raindrops, no rainbow. One of the two causes of the flood in Noah’s time was the window of heaven or the rain [Genesis 7:11]. And after the flooding, God said to Noah in [Genesis 7:12]; “I set my rainbow in the cloud as a sign of covenant between Me and earth“. God could just simply said, “I set my rainbow in the sky”, but He mentioned specifically the cloud because it is the cloud that supplements the rainbow.

Now, to your presumption that there were thousands of rainbows ahead of Noah’s time, we can refer to [Genesis 2:5-6], it says;

for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground”.

Before the flood, there was no rain. So if it had no rain or cloud, no appearance of rainbow also. If God declares that He creates this thing, He also provides the materials necessary for the realization of this thing. 

14.)  Ezra 2: 65, it says…There were 200 singing men and women – Nehemiah 7: 67…‘There were 245 singing men and women.’ Were they 200 – or were they 245 singing men and women? Context is the same – A mathematical contradiction.

ANSWER: Kindly go to this link, Ezra 2:65 versus Nehemiah 7:67

15.) It is mentioned in the 2nd Kings 24: 8, that…‘Jehoiachin was 18 years old, when he reign Jerusalem, and he reigned for 3 months and 10 days. 2nd Chronicles 36: 9 says that…‘Jehoiachin was 8 years old when he reign and he reigned for 3 months, 10 days. Was Jehoiachin 18 years when he began to reign, or was he 8 years old? Did he reign for 3 months, or did he reign for 3 months 10 days?

[2Kings 24:8] Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother’s name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.

[2Chronocles 36:9] Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD. 

ANSWER: According to Ellicott’s Bible Commentary, [2Chroniicles 36:9] has correctly “eighteen;” and so some MSS., LXX. (Alex.), Syriac, Arabic. The difference turns on the omission of the smallest Hebrew letter, namely, yod, which is a numeral represents ‘ten’. 

Three months and ten days: Syriac and Arabic here have “one hundred days,” i.e., three months and ten days. Thenius thinks the ten days were added, in order that the catastrophe of Jehoiachin’s reign might fall on a tenth day of the month, like the investment of Jerusalem and the fall of the city under Zedekiah (2Chronicles 25:1; 2Chronicles 25:8).

So, Jehoiachin was 18 years and reigned three months

16.) 1st Kings 7:26, that…‘In Solomon’s temple, in his molten sea, he had 2000 baths. In 2nd Chronicles 4:5, he had 3000 baths. Did he have 2000 baths or did he have 3000 baths?

ANSWER: It depends on how the verses are translated because in other translation these two verses differ in message, kindly read; 

Darby Bible Translation 

[1 Kings 7:26] “And its thickness was a handbreadth, and its brim was like the work of the brim of a cup, with lily-blossoms; it held two thousand baths”.

[2 Chronicles 4:5] “And its thickness was a handbreadth, and its brim like the work of the brim of a cup, with lily-blossoms; in capacity it held three thousand baths”. 

According to Jewish Bible Targum, the writer of [1 Kings 7:26] emphasized the usual content of the pool which was sufficient for use. While the writer of [2 Chronicles 4:5] emphasized the capacity of the pool if it were filled to the brim.

17.) In trinity they have : jesus is god , holy spirit is god , father is god … and … jesus is not father is not holy spirit .. so 1+1+1=3 !!! illogic

ANSWER: God is one nature [Deuteronomy 6:4, Isaiah 4:11, & Malachi 2:10] but God presented Himself to mankind in these three persons; the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Christianity is not inventing story, they have proofs from the OLD and NEW TESTAMENTS. Consider these verses about Trinity:

Trinity from Hebrew Bible/Old Testament:

[Isaiah 9:6] “For to us a child is born, to us a Son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor (or Spirit of truth), Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace”. 

:This verse mentions that the son to be born will be called Counselor (Spirit of Truth), mighty God, and everlasting Father. This points out the oneness of the Son, Spirit, and Father.

[Isaiah 48:16] “Come near to Me, listen to this: From the first I have not spoken in secret, From the time it took place, I was there. And now the Lord God (or Father) has sent Me (Jesus or Son), and His Spirit.”

COMMENT: The speaker of this verse claimed that He already existed from the beginning; so it means, He is God. And then He proceeded, “and now the Lord has sent Me with His Spirit” ; so, the speaker God is sent by Sovereign Lord with His Spirit. Notice that there are three persons mentioned in this verse: the speaker God who is sent, the Sovereign Lord who is the sender, and the Spirit of the Sovereign Lord. The sender Lord is the source or Father of the Spirit; and the messenger God is the emanated Spirit who came to Earth and became Jesus, the Son of God [Luke 1:35]. The speaker God could easily just say, “the Sovereign Lord has sent me”, but He mentioned about “Spirit“; so, God emphasizes the interrelation among the Father, the Son, and the Spirit. This verse portrays Trinity.

Trinity from the New Testament:

[Matthew 28:19] Therefore go and make disciples of all nations baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.

[John 5:7] For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. 

: Koran also testifies that Jesus is the word and spirit of Allah [Koran 3:45 & 4:171]

Moreover, there are proofs in the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament about the existence of the Son, kindly read;

[Proverbs 30:4] Who has gone up to heaven and come down? Whose hands have gathered up the wind? Who has wrapped up the waters in a cloak? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and what is the name of his Son? Surely you know!

[Psalm 2:11-12] Worship the LORD with reverence And rejoice with trembling. Do homage to the Son, that He not become angry and you perish in the way, For His wrath may soon be kindled. How blessed are all who take refuge in Him! 


18.) we know that god is eternal has no beginning and no end, but jesus “as you say” has a begining (his birth)

ANSWER: Kindly go to this link, God Is Eternal And Has No Beginning, If Jesus Is God, Why He Has A Beginning (His birth)?

19.) we know that God is the greatest thing ever, but jesus (as you say ) said ” you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I” [John 14:28] so he is not the greater thing.

ANSWER: Kindly go to this link, If Jesus is God, why He said the Father is greater than I?

20.) we all know that god can do anything , but in the bible jesus said “By myself I can do nothing” [John 5:30] -> if he really can’t do nothing, then he is not a god , or he is lying ?? also if lying not a god

ANSWER: Kindly go to this link, If Jesus is God, why he can do nothing?

21.) by definition : God knows everything, here is what jesus said in the bible “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father” [Mark 13:32] -> jesus doesn’t know everything

ANSWER: Kindly go to this link, If Jesus Is God, Why He Did Not Know the Last Hour? [Mark 13:32]

22.) “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” [Mark 15:34] jesus said “my god” so he is not a son of god what do you think !!! lot of contradictions in your bible hein !? i proved to you that jesus is human from your book nothing else , if you didn’t understand this you probably don’t use your brain. 

ANSWER:  Kindly go to this link, Why Jesus Cried Out, “My God, my God, why have You forsaken me?”

23.) (Matthew 24:29-33 & Mark 13:24-29) accompanied by signs, but in (Luke 17:20-21) not accompanied by signs 

Alleged verses:

[Matthew 24: 29-33] immediately after the tribulation of those days: The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. 

[Luke 17:20-21] Now having been questioned by the Pharisees as to when the kingdom of God was coming, He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed; nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or, ‘There it is!’ For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst.” 

ANSWER : [Matthew 24:29-33 & Mark 13:24-29] state about the condition of the universe after the Tribulation or Judgment Day, the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light, and then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, etc.. While [Luke 17:20] states about the Kingdom of God. I believe the Pharisees did not understand what Jesus was talking about, for they thought the kingdom of God would come with signs like the Judgment Day, where in fact, the Kingdom of God was already in their midst brought by Jesus. The kingdom of God is the Church (Catholicism). Jesus was right in answering them that the Kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed. Kindly read;

[Matthew 9:35] Jesus went through all the towns and villages, teaching in their synagogues, proclaiming the good news of the kingdom and healing every disease and sickness.

[Luke 8:1] Soon afterwards, He began going around from one city and village to another, proclaiming and preaching the kingdom of God. The twelve were with Him

24.) [Matthew 21:7] Jesus rides two animals during his triumphal entry, but in [Mark 11:7, Luke 19:35, & John 12:14], Jesus rides only one animal

Alleged verses:

[Matthew 21:7] They brought the donkey and the colt and placed their cloaks on them for Jesus to sit on.

[Mark 11:7] And they brought the colt to Jesus and threw their cloaks on it, and he sat on it.

[Luke 19:35] So they brought the colt to Jesus and threw their garments over it for him to ride on.

[John 12:14-15] Jesus found a young donkey and rode on it, fulfilling the prophecy that said: “Do not be afraid, daughter of Zion. See, your King is coming, seated on the colt of a donkey.” 

ANSWER:  I think [Matthew 21:7] is just not correctly translated by others, because the Aramaic Bible Plain English translated it as;

“And they brought the donkey and the colt and they placed their garments on the colt and Yeshua rode upon it” 

COMMENT: This verse tells us that Yeshua (Jesus) only rode the colt.  Just a common sense, it is unrealistic for a person to ride two animals together especially when the other is short.

25.) [Matthew 10:28 & Luke 12:4] Jesus said not to fear men, but in [Matthew 12:15-16] [John 7:1-10, 8:59, 10:39, 11:53-54] Jesus hid, escaped, or went secretly 

[Matthew 10:28] Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. 

[John 10:39] Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp.

ANSWER:  Jesus hid himself from His attacker not because He was afraid of them, but because it was not yet time for Him to die. Consider the following verses below;

[John 7:30] So they were seeking to seize Him; and no man laid his hand on Him, because His hour had not yet come.

[John 7:8] “You go up to this feast; I am not going up now to this feast, because my time is not yet finished.” 

But just before Passover festival it was time for him to die, kindly read the verses below;

[Matthew 26:1-2] When Jesus had finished all these words, He said to His disciples, “You know that after two days the Passover is coming, and the Son of Man is to be handed over for crucifixion.”

[John 13:1] It was just before the Passover Festival. Jesus knew that the hour had come for him to leave this world and go to the Father. Having loved his own who were in the world, he loved them to the end. 

COMMENT: The verses above tell that Jesus’ time to die has come and He is ready to submit Himself to His attacker

26.) [Acts 7:55 & Hebrews 12:2] tells Jesus sit at the right hand of the Father. See, you have two Gods. So which of them is the real God?

ANSWER: Kindly read, Bible says Jesus is at the righthand of the Father, so which of them is the real God?

27.) [Matthew 5:22] anger by itself is a sin, but in [Ephesians 4:26] anger is not necessarily a sin

[Matthew 5:22] But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

[Ephesians 4:26] And “don’t sin by letting anger control you.” Don’t let the sun go down while you are still angry 

ANSWER: I don’t see any conflict between these two;

In [Matthew 5:22], the first and second sentence, Jesus does not say you sin if you’re angry, but you are in danger of judgment or council, meaning you are close to committing a sin. And in the third sentence, by calling your fellow a fool from anger, makes you sinned, this time you are in danger of the hellfire. 

While [Ephesians 4:26] means you don’t do something bad from anger, see to it that it will disappear before you sleep at night. In a nutshell, to get angry is normal, but to do wrong from anger is punishable in hellfire.

28.) [Matthew 5:22] anger by itself is a sin, but in [Matthew 11:22-24 & Luke 10:13-15] Jesus curses certain cities

[Matthew 11:21-23] Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. But I tell you, it will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on the day of judgment than for you. And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted to the heavens? No, you will go down to Hades. For if the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Sodom, it would have remained to this day. 

ANSWER: Again, [Matthew 5:22] does not say anger alone is sinful, but to do wrong because of anger is punishable in hellfire.

Jesus is not cursing in [Matthew 11:21-23], but prophesying on what will happen to those unrepentant places (Chorazin, Bethsaida, and Capernaum) on the Day of judgment. Cursing is when you wish a doom to befall upon someone or something. Being God, Jesus knew that the places which have witnessed His miracles are worse than the punished cities in the old (Tyre, Sidon, and Sodom) which were not able to witness His miracles. For if His miracles had been performed in those cities, they would have repented. Therefore, the punishment to be received by (Chorazin, Bethsaida, and Capernaum) is more severe than the punishment received by (Tyre, Sidon, and Sodom).

29.) Contradictions: [Matthew 28:1] the first visitor of the tomb were Mary Magdalene and the other Mary (with two visitors) ; [Mark 16:1] the visitors were two Mary plus Salome (with three visitors) ; [Luke 23:55, 24:1, 24:10] Mary Magdalene and joana, Mary mother of james, and other women. (At least 5 visitors)

ANSWER: Let us put down the said verses first;

[Matthew 28:1] “After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb”.

Mark 16:1-2] “When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices so that they might go to anoint Jesus’ body.” Very early on the first day of the week, just after sunrise, they were on their way to the tomb

[Luke 24:1] On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb.

[Luke 24:10] It was Mary Magdalene, and Joanna, and Mary the mother of James, and other women that were with them, who told these things unto the apostles.

[Mark 16:1] states that the three women bought spices, this is not yet the actual day of visiting the tomb of Jesus. And then in [Mark 16:2], the day of visiting came. [Luke 24:1] confirms [Mark 16:1], the women had prepared spices before going to the tomb. Probably Salome was not able to accompany the two Maries at the actual visiting that’s why she wasn’t mentioned, or maybe the authors just did not mention her. Note that this incident was reported by three authors, every reporter has the right whether or not to include the lesser character in his report. These three authors had commonly stated the two Maries in their reports. Matthew just opted to report the important characters, while Luke opted to be more specific. [Mark 16:1-2 & Luke 24:10] are not in contradiction with [Matthew 28:1], but rather in support. It shows that not only the two Maries were visiting the tomb of Jesus, but they had companions.

30.) [Matthew 5:17-19 & Luke 16:17] Jesus did not come to abolish the law, but in [Ephesians 2:13-15 & Hebrews 7:18-19] Jesus abolished the law of Moses

ANSWER: Kindly click this link In [Matthew 5:17-18], Jesus did not come to abolish the law, but in [Ephesians 2:13-15], Jesus abolished the law of Moses 


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