January 2017 - SilawanTribe

KIT SNOW (MUSLM) VS. RENZ PEJANA (CHRISTIAN) DEBATE

Renz Pejana: I challenge every Muslim to defend this contradictions. Failure to explain these, means Qur’an is fake and invented by Muhammad;

CONTRADICTIONS IN QUR’AN

According to [Qur’an 11:42-43], a son of Noah is drowned in the flood, But according to [21:76] all sons of Noah are saved from the flood. Which of statements is true?
In [Qur’an 5:90], wine is prohibited on Earth because it is the handwork of Satan, But ironically in [47:15 & 83:22-25], rivers of wine is the prize for the righteous. So it means there will be numerous drunkards in Heaven?
[Qur’an 3:59] says, Jesus is created by Allah from dust, so He is an ordinary human; But in [66:12, 19:17, & 3:45] Jesus is formed by Allah through breathing his Spirit or Word into the body of virgin Mary. Analyzing these verses, Jesus is not an ordinary human because he has no human father, in fact he is the Spirit or Word of Allah; But behold in [43:61 & 4:159] Jesus becomes a Deity for He is the knowledge of Resurrection or Judgment Day. Who is Jesus really in Qur’an, an ordinary human, Son or Spirit from Allah, or God?
[Qur’an 66:12, 19:17, & 3:45] tells us that Jesus is originated from the spirit or Word of Allah; But in [5:17] says that following Christ is a blasphemy, and Allah will destroy Christ. So it means Allah will destroy his own Spirit or Word?
[Qur’an 2:62] says, those who believe in Qur’an, and follow Jewish Scriptures, and Christians will have rewards from their Lord; But in [5:17] says that following Christ is a blasphemy, and Allah will destroy Christ.
[Qur’an 5:5] it is lawful to marry a chaste woman among the people of the Book (take note that Muslims view Christians as non-believers), But in [2:221] says, do not marry unbelieving woman. Which of these regulations is true?
[Qur’an 2:256] says, “let there be no compulsion in religion”, But [2:191 & 9:5] commands Muslims to slay the disbelievers”. Which of these commandments is true?
[Qur’an 55:14] says man is created from a ringing clay; But [15:26 &28] tells, man is created from a sounding clay and black mud; But worse [20:55] says, man is made from earth or soil; But even worse [25:54] says, man is created from water; But worst [16:4 & 80:19] says, man is created from a sperm-drop; But even worst [96:2] states that man is created from a clot of blood; But even so worst [19:9, 19:67, & 52:35] state that, man is created from nothing. Which of these seven contradicting verses is true?
In [Qur’an 3:39], John is a confirmer of the word of Allah, but in [5:46 & 61:6] Jesus is the confirmer of the Word of Allah. Which of the two is the truth?
[Qur’an 4:153] Allah forgave Moses and his people for worshiping golden calf, But in [4:48 & 4:116] Allah does not forgive those who worship gods other than him. Which of the two is true?

Kit Snow :

Renz Pejana, Your understanding of context throughout these verses is lacking. You must consider verses pertaining to wartime for example, when you are permitted to slay an enemy etc. The verse of Noah, his family was saved from the flood, it does not say all of his sons were saved, the translation states family. I have reread everything you stated and I dont see a solid argument, all of the verses can be argued in favor of being not a contradiction. I have not seen one single proven error or contradiction in the Quran

Renz Pejana : Kit Snow, why don’t you go on answering each of my questions? Even if there is no war, your Koran commands you to kill the disbelievers. Here is the verse;

[9:5] “But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful”.

And also there is force applied on disbelievers, if they don’t accept Islam, they will be killed..

Kit Snow :

When we read from verse 1 of chapter 9, it states that there was a treaty which the Pagan Arabs broke. Thus, Allah in the Quran says, that HE gave them four months. Verse 9:4 states that Allah will punish those who broke the treaty, this verse is only aimed at those who broke the treaty, it did not affect those who abided by the treaty. When we read the passage (9:5), it is evident, it’s talking about a war with the pagan Arabs. This was a historical event that happened in the lifetime of Prophet Muhammad (p). Furthermore, verse 9:13 provides proof that it was the pagans who started this war. The verse states, “Would you not fight a people who broke their oaths and determined to expel the Messenger, and they had begun to attack you first?” This is proof that Prophet Muhammad (p) did not start this war, but it was those treacherous pagan Arabs that started to expel and fight the Messenger. Again, context means everything.

The Quran states you cannot take an innocent life unless its for murder or corruption of the land. Even in the USA up until 1990, if you are charged with murder or treason, which could be “corruption of your land” it is punishable by death. Chapter 5 verse 32: “Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land – it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one – it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.”

Renz Pejana : Kit Snow, there is no treaty broken by the pagans, [9:1] clearly states that Allah/Muhammad himself was the one who declared cancellation from his treaty with pagans. He revoked the covenant of every party. Allah/Muhammad gave the pagans four months to accept Islam, or else they will be killed. After these four months Allah or Muhammad has no more obligation of the treaty _ this is the whole story. Islam apologists tried so hard to cover this barbaric commandments of Muhammad/Allah. He was the one who initiated the attack or war. This is the story how or where chapter 9 of Koran originated. Kindly read;

The Book of the Major Classes, (Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir) volume 2, pages 208-9, written by Ibn Sa’d Then (occurred) the Pilgrimage of Abu Bakr al-Siddiq with the people in Dhu al-Hijjah of the ninth year from the hijrah of the Apostle of Allah.

They (narrators) said: The Apostle of Allah appointed Abu Bakr al-Siddiq to be in charge of the hajj. He set out with three hundred persons from al-Madinah. The Apostle of Allah sent with him, twenty sacrificial animals, whom he had adorned with necklaces, and whose humps he had pierced with his own hands. Najiyah Ibn Jundab al-Aslami was in charge (of the sacrificial animals). Abu Bakr carried five sacrificial animals with him. When he reached al-‘Arj, Ali Ibn Abi Talib joined him and he was riding al-Qaswa the she-camel of the Apostle of Allah. Thereupon Abu Bakr said to him: Has the Apostle of Allah given you charge of the pilgrimage? He said: No, But he has sent me to read to the people “Freedom from obligation” and the dissolution agreements of all parties. Then Abu Bakr proceeded and performed Hajj with the people. Ali Ibn Abi Talib read to the people: “Freedom from obligations,” on the day of sacrifice, near al-Jamrah, and revoked the covenant of every party; and he said: After this year no polytheists will make a pilgrimage nor a naked person will circumambulate (the Ka’bah).

To support my argument that Muhammad really meant killing the disbelievers of Islam whether in war or not, I provide another sword verses. Kindly read;

[4:104] And do not weaken in pursuit of the enemy. If you should be suffering – so are they suffering as you are suffering, but you expect from Allah that which they expect not. And Allah is ever Knowing and Wise.

[4:89] “They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks.”

[8:12] “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them”

[9:41-42] Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew. Had it been a near adventure and an easy journey they had followed thee, but the distance seemed too far for them. Yet will they swear by Allah (saying): If we had been able we would surely have set out with you. They destroy their souls, and Allah knoweth that they verily are liars.

Furthermore, the Islamic ‘suicide bombing, beheading, and mutilation of bodies’ in different places are evidences prompted by these Koranic laws. These facts prove that even if Islam is not under attack, they will kill innocent people.

Muhammad even raided caravans and killed people during Kaaba pilgrimage. Kindly read;

The Truth:

After his eviction by the Meccans, Muhammad and his Muslims found refuge many miles away in Medina where they were not being bothered by their former adversaries. Despite this, Muhammad sent his men on seven unsuccessful raids against Meccan caravans before finally finding one – whereupon they murdered the driver and plundered the contents. This particular caravan was especially vulnerable because the attack came during the holy months, when the merchants were least expecting it due to the generally agreed upon rule that the tribes of the area would not attack each other during that time;

[A Muslim raider] who had shaved his head, looked down on them [the Meccan caravan], and when they saw him they felt safe and said, “They are pilgrims, you have nothing to fear from them.” (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 424, Ibn Kathir V.2 p.242) The shaved head caused the Muslims to look like pilgrims rather than raiders, which instilled a false sense of security in the drivers. However, Islam was a different sort of religion from what the Meccans were used to: [The Muslim raiders] encouraged each other, and decided to kill as many as they could of them and take what they had. Waqid shot Amr bin al-Hadrami with an arrow and killed him… (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 425; see also Ibn Kathir V.2 p.243) According to Ibn Kathir, the Muslims living in Mecca did not dispute that their brethren in Medina had killed, captured and stolen from the Quraish, but they were reluctant to accept that this had occurred during the sacred months: The Quraysh said that Muhammad and his Companions violated the sanctity of the Sacred Month and shed blood, confiscated property and took prisoners during it. Those who refuted them among the Muslims who remained in Makkah replied that the Muslims had done that during the month of Sha`ban (which is not a sacred month). (Ibn Kathir) Faced with losing face by admitting his error, Muhammad went into his hut and emerged with a convenient and timely revelation “from Allah” that provided retroactive permission for the raid (and, of course sanctioned the stolen possessions for his own use);

“They ask you concerning the sacred month about fighting in it. Say: Fighting in it is a grave matter, and hindering (men) from Allah’s way and denying Him, and (hindering men from) the Sacred Mosque and turning its people out of it, are still graver with Allah, and persecution is graver than slaughter” (Quran 2:217)

Notice that the Quran does not say that the Meccans were guilty of killing Muslims, only that they were “persecuting” them by preventing them from the ‘sacred mosque’ (the Kaaba). The killing of the Meccan driver by the Muslims was the first deadly encounter between the two adversaries. This is of acute embarrassment to contemporary Muslim apologists, who like to say that Islam is against killing for any reason other than self-defense.

For this reason, there has arisen the modern myth that the Muslims of that time were simply “taking back” what was theirs – rather than exacting revenge and stealing. Contemporary apologists like to say that Muhammad and his followers were basically robbed by the Meccans on their way out of town. (The 1976 movie, “The Message,” perpetuates this misconception as well).

Apologists are somewhat vague as to how property theft justifies killing (particularly on the part of someone they otherwise like to portray as the paragon of virtue); nor do they attempt to explain how the particular victims of subsequent Muslim raids (usually the caravan drivers and laborers) were directly responsible for this supposed theft. A larger problem is that there is no evidence to support the misconception that the Muslims were “taking back what was theirs”; in fact, it is specifically contradicted by the early historical record.

The event of the first attack on Meccan caravans is detailed quite well by Muhammad’s biographer, Ibn Ishaq/Hisham, but nowhere does he mention the contents of the caravan as being Muslim property. In fact Ishaq explicitly describes the goods as belonging to the Meccans: “A caravan of Quraish carrying dry raisins and leather and other merchandise of Quraish passed by…” (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 424)

Note also that the cargo plundered from the caravan included raisins, which would have long since perished had they been from grapes grown and dried by the Muslim before they left Mecca nearly a full year earlier. Moreover, a fifth of the loot was given to Muhammad as war booty, which would not have been the case if it rightfully belonged to another Muslim (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 425).

Most of the Muslims living in Mecca had few assets to begin with, having been drawn largely from the lower rungs of the social ladder, but those who did would have had several years to liquidate their assets or transport them to a new location. As the instigator of the discord, Muhammad was the only Muslim literally forced to flee Mecca in the dead of night, but even his business affairs were sewn up on his behalf by Ali, his son-in-law: Ali stayed in Mecca for three days and nights until he had restored the deposits which the apostle held. (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 335)

So, if the Muslims at Medina weren’t trying to recover stolen goods, why were they plundering Meccan caravans? Muhammad explains the real reason for the looting and the killing;

“If you have killed in the sacred month, they have kept you back from the way of Allah with their unbelief in Him, and from the sacred mosque, and have driven you from it when you were its people. This is a more serious matter with Allah then the killing of those of them whom you have slain. ‘And seduction is worse than killing.’ They used to seduce the Muslim in his religion until they made him return to unbelief after believing, and that is worse with Allah than killing.” (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 426)

Thus, the justification for killing the Meccans and stealing their goods is purely religious. The only thing stolen from the Muslims was their ability to enter the sacred mosque (ie. complete the Haj ritual at the Kaaba). The innocent caravan drivers were fair game for Muhammad’s deadly raids simply because Muslims felt “kept back from the way of Allah” by the “unbelief” of the Meccan leadership. This is all the more apparent by the next major episode in which Muhammad sent his men to plunder caravans, which precipitated the Battle of Badr:

When the Apostle heard about Abu Sufyan coming from Syria, he summoned the Muslims and said, “This is the Quraish caravan containing their property. Go out to attack it, perhaps Allah will give it as a prey.” (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 428) In this case the Meccans were returning to Mecca from a business trip to Syria. Any goods they were carrying would have been purchased from the Syrians.

Over the next nine years, the principal source of income for Muslims was wealth forcibly extracted from others. The targets of misfortune expanded well beyond the Meccans. By the time Muhammad died, his men were finding excuse to raid and steal from many other Arab tribes, Jews and Christians. Like the mafia, a protection racket gradually evolved where other tribes were allowed to live peacefully provided they paid tribute to Muslim rulers.

Kit Snow :

We could go back and forth forever on “history books and hadiths” that may or may not be accurate, the prophet Mohammed had the most books written against him than any other individual in history, so quoting me criteria that advises the prophet murdered and was a thief (which goes against the teachings of the Quran) is hard to take seriously. Let’s stay on topic of the Quran, God’s word and not on history books written and edited by man. I’m open to debate misconceptions in the Quran.

Renz Pejana : That is the last defense of Islam, deny the evidence as much as possible. These facts are supported by not just one author. Just reflect on Muhammad’s personal life whether he’s moralist or not. He fucked a nine year old girl and grabbed his adopted son’s wife. If you were in the shoes of his adopted son, how would you feel? Muhammad had no sense of delicacy and respect. By this, we can analyze that he’s not a righteous man.

Kit Snow :

“Evidence”?, “Facts”? Where are the facts about his wife being 9, actually if you do the math she is much older, supposedly. Look up Zakir Naiks talk on her age. And continuing on about facts…if what you stated was a fact, there would he no rational argument, but the actual fact is this topic of the caravans has been argued on both sides forever. It comes down to logic. If Mohammed did have a revelation and followed the revelation he recited. Than what is more likely, the accusation he raped, murdered and was a thief or that he didn’t?

Renz Pejana : These are the facts bout Aisha’s age;

Narrated Aisha: The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, “Best wishes and Allah’s Blessing and a good luck.” Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah’s Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of NINE YEARS of age. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234)

Narrated Hisham’s father: Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married ‘Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was NINE YEARS OLD. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236)

About the revelations, of course Muhammad invented those in order to justify his acts, or else his followers would leave him. And about Zakir Naik, don’t believe him for he is a proven liar. He even thought that vitamin C was invented.

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Here are another facts that Muhammad fucked Aisha at nine years in case you are not contented with my earlier facts given to you;

Narrated ‘Aisha that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was NINE YEARS old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death). (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64; see also Numbers 65 and 88)

SAHIH MUSLIM

‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was NINE, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old. (Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3311)

SUNAN ABU DAWUD

Aisha said: The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) married me when I was seven years old. The narrator Sulaiman said: Or six years. He had intercourse with me when I was NINE YEARS old. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Number 2116)

Narrated Aisha: Ummul Mu’minin: The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) married me when I was seven or six. When we came to Medina, some women came. According to Bishr’s version: Umm Ruman came to me when I was swinging. They took me, made me prepared and decorated me. I was then brought to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him), and he took up cohabitation with me when I was NINE. She halted me at the door, and I burst into laughter. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 41, Number 49)

AND if you are really open for a debate about your Koran without outside source, I just give you only four questions to answer. Prove to the Christians that Koran is the inspired word of God. If you can’t, I hope you can realize how fake is Islam. Here they are;

Islam believes Allah and the God of Abraham in the Bible are one. Qur’an says, none can change the word of God [6:115], How come Islam accused the Bible to be corrupted? It shows that Muslims don’t believe what Allah is declaring that his word cannot be corrupted or changed
Allah claimed that he is God, (the all-wise, all-knower, and knower of the unseen). In verses [4:171 & 5:116] Allah thought that the persons in Trinity are Jesus, Mary, and Spirit of God/Allah (in truth it is God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit). How come he failed to know the persons of Trinity? It turned out that he is the ignorant God. If Allah does not know a simple topic here on Earth, how much more on matters about spirit and heavens?
[Qur’an 12:39, 3:6, & 58:21] say Allah is almighty, strong, and wise, but Satan was able to sneak his words during Allah’s revelation to Muhammad [53:19-20]. It turns out that he has no control over Satan and Muhammad in uttering Satanic verses. [Deuteronomy 18:20] says, “But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.” So if Muhammad had uttered other gods and Allah was not able to stop him, the verdict is, these two are fake.
In [Qur’an 15:19, 20:53, 43:10] Allah says that the Earth is spread out like carpet or shaped flat, but in actual, the Earth is globular or circle. The all-knower Allah turns out to be unknowing Allah.

Kit Snow :

How old was Mary, mother of Jesus when she married Joseph? 12. How old was the age of marriage in the USA just 100 years ago? Utah was 7, California was 10, all through out the USA it was 7-10 years of age. How old were the brides of Europen kings throughout History? 5-10 years old was common, yet I don’t see you pointing fingers at USA or Europe or antywhere else in the world . Marrying young was obviously common place even just 100 years ago all around the world.

There was no school or education or career a women is saving herself for back in those days, when she is scientifically and biologically fit to become a mother then she married, there was nothing else for a woman to do in those days besides make a family.

I always find anyone against Islam to always be angry in their debates, use disturbing language and name call.

What was the ‘Age of Consent’ in European and American history, prior to the 20th century? In this article, I shall bring forth evidences which demonstrate that the ‘Age of consent’ was indeed, very young, even by today’s standards. I will provide academic sources which show that girls were allowed to be married at the age of 10 years old and sometimes times, as young as 7 years old, legally. It was norm just over 100 years ago to see girls being married off at very young ages. In most cultures, the marriage would have been consummated at the onset of puberty. 1. Professor of history Margaret Wade Labarge “It needs to be remembered that many Medieval widows were not old, Important heiresses were often married between the ages of 5 and 10 and might find themselves widowed while still in their teens.” [1] 2. Professor Richard Wortley and Professor Stephen Smallbone, both of whom state that prior to the 1900s girls married very young, “In Medieval and early modern European societies, the age of marriage remained low, with documented cases of brides as young as seven years, although marriages were typically not consummated until the girl reached puberty (Bullough 2004). Shakespeare’s Juliet was just 13, and there is no hint in the play that this was considered to be exceptional. The situation was similar on the other side of the Atlantic; Bullough reports the case in 1689 of a nine-year-old bride in Virginia. At the start of the nineteenth century in England, it was legal to have sex with a 10 year-old girl.” [2] 3. In the book, ‘Sex and Society’, “Until the late 20th century U.S. age of consent laws specifically names males as perpetrators and females as victims. Following English law, in which the age was set at 12 in 1275 and lowered to 10 in 1576, ages of consent in the American colonies were generally set at 10 or 12. The laws protected female virginity, which at the time was considered a valuable commodity until marriage. The theft of a girl’s chastity was seen as a property crime against her father and future husband. If two people were married and had sex, no matter what their age, no crime was committed because a woman was her husband’s property. In practice, too, the consent laws only protected white females, as many non-white females were enslaved or otherwise discriminated against by the legal system.” [3] 4. Richard A. Posner is chief judge of the U.S court of appeals, Seventh Circuit Chicago. Katherine B. Silbaugh is associate Professor at Boston University School of Law, they say that before the 1900s age of consent was ten years old, “The law governing the age of consent has changed dramatically in the United States during this century. Most states codified a statutory age of consent during the nineteenth century, and the usual age was ten years.” [4] 5. The Scottish Law prior to 1900s by Sir John Comyns and Stewart Kyd, “By the law of Scotland, a woman cannot contrabere sponsalia before her age of seven years. 1 Rol. 343. I. 20. But by common law, persons may marry at any age. Co. Lit. 33. A. And upon such marriage the wife shall be endowed, if the attain the age of nine years, of what whatsoever age her husband be; but not before the age of nine years. Co. L. 33. A.” [5] 6. Professor of Sociology Anthony Joseph Paul Cortese says that a 50 year old man being with a girl under 10 (being intimate) Under United States law was legal until the mid 1960s, “In 1962, the American Law Institute recommended that the legal age of consent to sex- that is, the age below which sex is defined as statutory rape- be dropped in every state to age 10 (Katchadourian and Lund 1972: 439). In fact, until the mid 1960s, the legal age of consent in Delaware was 7 (Kling, 1965: 216). So a 50 year old man could legally have sexual intercourse with a 7 year old boy or girl.” [6] 7. Maureen Dabbagh is a writer and author. Born in Michigan, she serves as a Virginia Supreme Court Family Mediator, she echoes the same statements as previous authors, “…the nineteenth century, the minimum age of consent for sexual intercourse in most American states was 10 years. In Delaware it was only 7 years.” [7]

Renz Pejana : Kit Snow, being a prophet, a messenger of the word of God, Muhammad should have known the marriageable time for woman prescribed by God. He should set himself as a model of a Godly or refined behavior. Yes this activity was practiced before, but it doesn’t mean God instructed or allowed it. I’ll give you verses in the Bible about the marriageable age for woman;

[Ezekiel 16:7-8] ” I made you grow like a plant of the field. You grew and developed and entered puberty. Your breasts had formed and your hair had grown, yet you were stark naked. ‘Later I passed by, and when I looked at you and saw that you were old enough for love, I spread the corner of my garment over you and covered your naked body. I gave you my solemn oath and entered into a covenant with you, declares the Sovereign Lord, and you became mine.

: The woman’s height has fully grown, her breast and pubic hair have grown and developed, and she is old enough for love (meaning she is morally conscious). Aisha was not fully grown and developed physically and mentally when Muhammad touched her. Why Muhammad failed to know the sexual prescription by God? Because it was not God who sent him. No prophets recorded in the Bible touching a child and raping women.

Contrary to the Bible, Quran permits touching a child girl. Verses [65:1-4] provide the specifications on when to divorce a wife. Verse [65:4] mentions a wife who has not menstruated as yet, or an immature girl. Kindly read;

[65:4]

SAHIH INTERNATIONAL

“And those who no longer expect menstruation among your women – if you doubt, then their period is three months, and [also for] those who have not menstruated. And for those who are pregnant, their term is until they give birth. And whoever fears Allah – He will make for him of his matter ease.

MUHSIN KHAN

And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the ‘Iddah (prescribed period), if you have doubts (about their periods), is three months, and for those who have no courses [(i.e. they are still immature) their ‘Iddah (prescribed period) is three months likewise, except in case of death]. And for those who are pregnant (whether they are divorced or their husbands are dead), their ‘Iddah (prescribed period) is until they deliver (their burdens), and whosoever fears Allah and keeps his duty to Him, He will make his matter easy for him.

AND also Quran permits raping (slave) woman [23:6]. Verses [23: 1-6] narrate the successful believers: those who are humble in their prayers; those who avoid vain talk; those who are active in deeds of charity; and those who abstain from sex except from their wives and SLAVES. Kindly read;

[23:6]

MUHSIN KHAN

“Except from their wives or (the captives and slaves) that their right hands possess, for then, they are free from blame”

: this verse tells that it is not sinful for a Muslim man to fuck his slave. I doubt if these facts for you are righteous. I doubt if you can afford to give your child daughter in marriage or you have a sexual urge for a child. These are proofs that, it is Islam which corrupted or twisted the moral teaching of the Bible. Their allegation that the Bible is corrupted has no basis. Supposing that God really looked at the Bible as being corrupted, He must have given to Muhammad the original, the pure one. In contrast, God would be a liar if His word becomes corrupted, since He said that none can change His word.. The Bible teaches to have one wife only, but Koran teaches polygamy; the Bible teaches to love your enemy, but Koran teaches killing of disbelievers and even its believers if necessary.

About an angry audience or debater, Christians and Muslim alike have tendency to get angry.. From my own point of view, the main cause why Christians get angry at Islam debaters because they are liars, they are inventing lies just to appear they are correct in the eyes of Muslims. So far I have not yet watched a Muslim debater who is not lying. Muslims just didn’t know their leaders’ falsehood since they are ignorant of the Bible and even their own Koran. On my part, I am not angry, I am just telling the truth so that Muslims will know that they are misled by a fake religion.

And about Mary’s age when married, the Bible does not specify her age. And if you say the Quran has said that, I don’t believe it, because Quran does not even know Mary personally, It thought that Mary was Merriam the sister of Aaron and Moses, daughter of Imran.

Kit Snow :

To answer your questions:

1.) Islam believes Allah and the God of Abraham in the Bible are one. Qur’an says, none can change the word of God [6:115], How come Islam accused the Bible to be corrupted? It shows that Muslims don’t believe what Allah is declaring that his word cannot be corrupted or changed

ANSWER : Sura 6:115 states “And the word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can alter His words, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing.” Muslims believe that the message sent to all the prophets, including Moses(Tora) and Yeshua(Injeel / Gospel) was meant for those specific people at that specific time. And it was never preserved. Now, the message of the Quran was meant for all mankind and is the last revelation. It has not been touched and remains preserved in it’s original language for over 1400 years to this day.

Renz Pejana : Brother, where is your evidence that the previous revelation was never preserved? God himself said none can change His revelation. You make God a liar by what you are saying. And where is your proof that Quran is meant for mankind? And how can you say Quran is pure? For after Muhammad’s death, there were many conflicting versions of Koran occurred. Uthman in his effort to solve the trouble, commanded to burn all copies except the version of Hudaifa.

READ: Is The Qur’an Pure?

Kit Snow :

2.) Allah claimed that he is God, (the all-wise, all-knower, and knower of the unseen). In verses [4:171 & 5:116] Allah thought that the persons in Trinity are Jesus, Mary, and Spirit of God/Allah (in truth it is God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit). How come he failed to know the persons of Trinity? It turned out that he is the ignorant God. If Allah does not know a simple topic here on Earth, how much more on matters about spirit and heavens?

ANSWER :

Sura 4:171 states “O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, “Three”; desist – it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.”

Sura 5:116 states “And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, “O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, ‘Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah ?'” He will say, “Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen”

Nowhere in there does it claim that Allah thinks Mary is part of the trinity. in Sura 5:116 it mentions Mary because the Roman Catholics pray to statues of Mary as a saint. Brother, your understanding of these verses is off, maybe because you already have your mind made up instead of opening your heart and mind.

Renz Pejana : Brother, you are the one who should wake up, you are covering falsehood in Quran, don’t deny it, it is clear as the sky. Before my explanation, I should first put my own sources from revered translators of Quran because I have noticed you are eluding something. Here they are:

[4:171]

MUHSIN KHAN

O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allah aught but the truth. The Messiah ‘Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah and His Word, (“Be!” – and he was) which He bestowed on Maryam (Mary) and a spirit (Ruh) created by Him; so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not: “Three (trinity)!” Cease! (it is) better for you. For Allah is (the only) One Ilah (God), Glory be to Him (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is All-Sufficient as a Disposer of affairs.

YUSUF ALI

O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not “Trinity” : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.

[5:116]

PICKTHALL

And when Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary! Didst thou say unto mankind: Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah? he saith: Be glorified! It was not mine to utter that to which I had no right. If I used to say it, then Thou knewest it. Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I know not what is in Thy Mind. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Knower of Things Hidden?

SAHIH INTERNATIONAL

And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, “O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, ‘Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah ?'” He will say, “Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen.

: VERSE [4:171] warns the Christians not to worship Trinity or three gods. And verse [5:116] clearly emphasizes the gods of Trinity. Which are, “TAKE ME (JESUS) and MY MOTHER (MARY) as deities besides ALLAH.

Brother, Koran points out JESUS and MARY as deities besides ALLAH.. “Deity and Saint” are not synonymous. Verse [5:73] confirms [5:116] that it really meant Trinity and Allah is taken as the third of the three gods. It says;

[5:73]

PICKTHALL

They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the third of three; when there is no Allah save the One Allah. If they desist not from so saying a painful doom will fall on those of them who disbelieve.

YUSUF ALI

They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.

Kit Snow :

3.) [Qur’an 12:39, 3:6, & 58:21] say Allah is almighty, strong, and wise, but Satan was able to sneak his words during Allah’s revelation to Muhammad [53:19-20]. It turns out that he has no control over Satan and Muhammad in uttering Satanic verses. [Deuteronomy 18:20] says, “But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.” So if Muhammad had uttered other gods and Allah was not able to stop him, the verdict is, these two are fake.

ANSWER : Sura 53:19 “So have you considered al-Lat and al-‘Uzza?” Sura 53:20 “And Manat, the third – the other one?” Sura 53:21 ” Is the male for you and for Him the female?” Sura 53:22 “That, then, is an unjust division.” Sura 53:23 “They are not but [mere] names you have named them – you and your forefathers – for which Allah has sent down no authority. They follow not except assumption and what [their] souls desire, and there has already come to them from their Lord guidance.”

Let’s look at verse 23 again shall we, where Allah is saying the three fake gods people worshipped before have no authority. Again, you have quoted out of context my friend. There was no satanic verses.

Renz Pejana : Brother, I don’t know if you intend to mislead me, thinking that I had not done research before I made my questions, or you are just not aware about Satanic verses in Quran. In case you don’t know, I quoted statements from wikiislam for you. Here it is;

“The Satanic Verses (also the Gharaniq incident) was an incident where Prophet Muhammad acknowledged Allat, Manat, and al-Uzza, the goddesses of the Pagan Meccans in a Qur’anic revelation, only to later recant and claim they were the words of the Devil. Satanic Verses

Kit Snow :

4.) In [Qur’an 15:19, 20:53, 43:10] Allah says that the Earth is spread out like carpet or shaped flat, but in actual, the Earth is globular or circle. The all-knower Allah turns out to be unknowing Allah.

ANSWER :

Sura 15:19 “And the earth – We have spread it and cast therein firmly set mountains and caused to grow therein [something] of every well-balanced thing.”

Sura 20:53 “[It is He] who has made for you the earth as a bed [spread out] and inserted therein for you roadways and sent down from the sky, rain and produced thereby categories of various plants.”

Sura 43:10 “[The one] who has made for you the earth a bed and made for you upon it roads that you might be guided”

None of these verses suggest the earth is flat. It does indeed say he made the earth for us like a carpet, which it is for a human like a carpet.

Renz Pejana : First, I add another sources to clarify the said verses more. Here they are;

[15:19]

YUSUF ALI

And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon mountains firm and immovable; and produced therein all kinds of things in due balance.

PICKTHALL

And the earth have We spread out, and placed therein firm hills, and caused each seemly thing to grow therein.

[20:53]

YUSUF ALI

“He Who has, made for you the earth like a carpet spread out; has enabled you to go about therein by roads (and channels); and has sent down water from the sky.” With it have We produced diverse pairs of plants each separate from the others.

SAHIH INTERNATIONAL

[It is He] who has made for you the earth as a bed [spread out] and inserted therein for you roadways and sent down from the sky, rain and produced thereby categories of various plants.

[43:10]

MUHSIN KHAN

Who has made for you the earth like a bed, and has made for you roads therein, in order that you may find your way

YUSUF ALI

(Yea, the same that) has made for you the earth (like a carpet) spread out, and has made for you roads (and channels) therein, in order that ye may find guidance (on the way)

: Brother, we don’t need to look for a specific “flat” word, just analyze the verses. We cannot spread out a ball (globe) like a carpet or bed. Quran describes the Earth having a flat surface, plane, or bed.

If I may add, I will give you prophetic verses from the true word of God (the Bible) about the Earth;

[Isaiah 40:22] It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.

: . . . above the circle of the Earth . . . If we look at the Earth from the moon or outer space, we can see that the Earth is a circle.

[Job 26:7] He stretches out the north over empty space; He hangs the earth on nothing

: . . . He hangs the Earth on nothing . . . If we look at the Earth from the outer space, we can see that the Earth has nothing to sit on or to cling to. The Bible accurately describes the position of the Earth. It is placed in an empty space, and it is as if hanged on nothing.

Why Christians eat pork when it is prohibited in Torah?

[Deuteronomy 14:7-8] But of those that chew the cud or have a completely divided hoof, you are not to eat the following: the camel, the rabbit, or the rock badger. Although they chew the cud, they do not have a divided hoof. They are unclean for you, as well as the pig; though it has a divided hoof, it does not chew the cud. It is unclean for you. You must not eat its meat or touch its carcass.

ANSWER: This law was made by Moses for the Jews only and not for all people. Christians are living under the law of Christ which is the New Covenant. Unknown to Islam and Christian sects, the Old Covenant (Judaism) was already canceled by God since the Israelites broke it. And He made a New covenant (which was brought by Jesus) that is for all people. This New covenant or Testament is everlasting thus no more covenant will be made, or no more churches will be founded after the Catholic Church, kindly read;

PROPHECIES ABOUT THE NEW COVENANT:

[Jeremiah 31:31-32] “The days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will make a New Covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah. It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant, though I was a husband to them,” declares the LORD

[Jeremiah 50:5] “They will ask for the way to Zion, turning their faces in its direction; they will come that they may join themselves to the LORD in an everlasting covenant that will not be forgotten.”

[Malachi 3:1] “And the Lord, whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple; and the messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight, behold, He is coming,” says the LORD of hosts.

THE PROMISED EVERLASTING OR NEW COVENANT WAS FULFILLED BY JESUS:

[Luke 22:20] In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.”

[Hebrews 9:15] For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance–now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.

WHAT ENTERS THE MOUTH CANNOT MAKE A MAN SINNER, BUT THE WORDS THAT COME OUT OF HIS MOUTH;

[Matthew 15:11] “A man is not defiled by what enters his mouth, but by what comes out of it.”

[Mark 7:18-19] “Are you still so dull?” He asked. “Do you not understand? Nothing that enters a man from the outside can defile him, because it does not enter his heart, but it goes into the stomach and then is eliminated.” (Thus all foods are clean.)

GOD JESUS MADE THE PROHIBITED ANIMALS CLEAN FOR MAN TO EAT;

[Acts 10:13-15 ] Then a voice said to him: “Get up, Peter, kill and eat!” “No, Lord!” Peter answered. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.” The voice spoke to him a second time: “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”

CHRISTIANS ARE ALLOWED TO EAT ANY FOOD SOLD IN THE MARKET;

[1 Corinthians 10:25] Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience

FURTHERMORE, you Muslims should question your religion as well, because Allah commanded you to eat Camels while eating them is prohibited in Deuteronomy 14:7

[Koran 22:36] “The sacrificial camels we have made for you as among the signs from Allah: in them is (much) good for you: then pronounce the name of Allah over them as they line up (for sacrifice): when they are down on their sides (after slaughter), eat ye thereof, and feed such as (beg not but) live in contentment, and such as beg with due humility: thus have We made animals subject to you, that ye may be grateful.”

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My Answers to Muslim Accusations Against Christianity #2

1. Why Christians eat pork when it is prohibited in Torah? (Deuteronomy 14:8)

Read: Why Christians eat pork

2. Why Christian women don’t cover their heads when it is commanded in Corinthians 11:5-6?

[1 Corinthians 11:5-6] And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, for it is just as if her head were shaved. If a woman does not cover her head, let her hair be cut off. And if it is shameful for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head.

ANSWER. The verse merely says that a woman should cover her head when she prays because it dishonor her head, for it is just as if her head were shaved. It doesn’t say that a woman should cover her head when she goes around the public as the Muslim woman does, because men might be attracted to her sexually. Besides, a Muslim woman is commanded to cover not only her head, but her whole body except the eyes. This means that to cover their heads alone is not Islamic, kindly read;

[Sahih Bukhari 1:4:148, Sahih Bukhari 8:74:257, & Hadith No. 148, Vol. 1]

Narrated ‘Aisha: The wives of the Prophet used to go to Al-Manasi, a vast open place (near Baqia at Medina) to answer the call of nature at night. ‘Umar used to say to the Prophet “Let your wives be veiled,” but Allah’s Apostle did not do so. One night Sauda bint Zam’a the wife of the Prophet went out at ‘Isha’ time and she was a tall lady. ‘Umar addressed her and said, “I have recognized you, O Sauda.” He said so, as he desired eagerly that the verses of Al-Hijab (the observing of veils by the Muslim women) may be revealed. So Allah revealed the verses of “Al-Hijab” (A complete body cover excluding the eyes).

COMMENT: This hadith tells us that it was Umar who urged Muhammad to cover his wives. And amazingly, the god of Muhammad granted his wish. In Christianity, there’s no compulsion for women to cover their heads while praying. God also commands us to worship Him in spirit (mind and heart) and not by the food, dress, appearance, or gesture.

3. Why Christians don’t fall facedown while praying when Jesus did it? (Matthew 26:39)

[Matthew 26:39] “Going a little farther, He fell facedown and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me. Yet not as I will, but as You will.”

ANSWER: Firstly, the meaning of the idiom ”fall face down” is ”to lay one’s body flat on the ground or floor with the face downward”. It’s not to kiss one’s forehead on the ground while raising your buttocks to the air as Muslims do. In the Bible, God’s people prayed either in prostrate or kneeling position. Secondly, whether you fall facedown or kneel while praying, it doesn’t matter to God. What more important is the contents of your heart and mind. God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit [Deuteronomy 6:5 & John 4:24]. An action cannot transform your personality, feeling, thought, or Faith. If Jesus was really a Muslim, Muhammad should have followed his commandments. Jesus teaches to love all people including your enemy, don’t kill a man, don’t steal, forgive your fellow 77 times, marry only one wife and don’t divorce her. Muhammad taught and practiced the opposite of what Jesus teaches in the Bible.

4. Why Christians don’t remove their shoes during prayer though God required it? (Exodus 3:5)

[Exodus 3:5] “Do not come any closer,” God said. “Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy ground.”

ANSWER: An action or gesture doesn’t make you a true believer. God wants us to worship Him in spirit (mind and heart). If a Muslim kneels while praying, it cannot make him a Christian. Moses took off his sandals in response to the commandment of God and to show respect to His presence, and not because he was going to pray. You can pray to God anytime and anywhere whether you wear footgear or not. On the part of Islam, there is no holiness in its center of worhip. The Kaabah was the worship house of the pagans in the past, it contained 360 idols in pre-Islamic time. Even Muhammad did not look at Kaabah as holy for he killed an ex-Muslim inside it.

5. Jesus said “do not worship me” (Revelation 22:9)

[Revelation 22: 9] But he said to me, “Do not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers the prophets, and with those who keep the words of this book. Worship God!”

ANSWER: The verse in Revelation 22:9 is not the words of Jesus but it came from an angel. Kindly read its preceding statement (verse 8), it says;

[Revelation 22:8] And I am John, who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had shown me these things.

Next time, check the verses first before raising it, ok? You Muslims don’t seek the truth, you’re just out there trying all you can to discredit the Bible. I will show you a verse from the Book of Revelation that Jesus claimed Godhood;

[Revelation 21:6-7] He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life. Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children.

6. Jesus cannot be compared to God because he’s born of a woman (Job 25:4)

[Job 25:4] “How then can a man be just with God? Or how can he be clean who is born of woman?

ANSWER: Yes it’s true but the question is, was Jesus an ordinary man? Both Christianity and Islam teach that Jesus was born without a human father. He claimed that he went out from the father and came down from heaven. When Jesus stayed in Mary’s womb, it’s not him who became unclean by a woman (Mary), but rather it was Mary who became purified because Jesus is our purifier. Why is it that in Islam Jesus is the Judge of mankind if He’s a mere man? Isn’t only the king can judge in a kingdom? No doubt, Jesus is God in Islam.

7. Jesus cannot be God because God is not a human being (Numbers 23.19)

King James Bible
God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

New International Version
God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?

ANSWER: Put in mind that God is spirit, He is an unapproachable light, energy/power, and wisdom. Can energy be distributed? Yes it can, the electricity for example can spread or distribute itself. Every nation uses electricity, these electricities are separated yet they are one nature. God can pour His spirit upon all flesh [Joel 2:28]. He can send His spirit though he is present everywhere pls. read;

[Psalm 104:30] You send forth Your Spirit, they are created; and you renew the face of the earth.

: Notice also that the sent spirit is a creator, Jesus was the creator of the universe. Kindly read;

[Colossians 1:16] For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.

: Jesus claimed that he came down from Heaven and was sent by the Father (source spirit). He says;

[John 6:38] For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but to do the will of Him who sent Me.

: Jesus was a portion of God’s spirit that came down on Earth and took a human form. I will show verses telling Jesus is one with the Father;

[Isaiah 9:6] ”For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”

[John 10:30]. Jesus said; I and the Father are one

[John 14:9-10] Jesus said to him, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? “Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me?

The human body was just the vessel of the sent forth spirit of God. Jesus claimed that the spirit of God dwelt in him, and that made him God also.

READ: The Spirit of God dwelt in Jesus

Additionally, you quoted [Numbers 23;19] telling God won’t tell a lie, is your Allah truthful? Isn’t he the best of the deceivers? [Koran 3:54]. The Bible says that Satan is the father of deceptions [John 8:44] the same attribute as your Allah.

My Rebuttal to a Muslim’s Claims about Qur’an and the Bible

QUESTIONS:

1.) Your allegation that the Quran is mainly written by Muhammad and his cohorts is a lie, read http://www.quran-islam.org/main_topics/quran/false_accusations/abrogation_claims_(P1216).html

ANSWER:

That is one of the Masters of Arts of Islam, Master of Arts in Lying and Master of Arts in Denying. These facts are supported by several Hadiths depending on the statement. However to cover this shame, Muslim apologists deny these Hadiths and instead acknowledge only few Hadiths, including the Bukhari which contains less shameful facts compared to the ones rejected. Nonetheless, assuming that these rejected Hadiths are indeed fabricated, let us use our common sense in analyzing the Koranic verses given by your source, and also I will provide Koranic verses to support my argument so that Muslim apologists will have no room for denial, here are the verses given by your source;

a.) “A.L.R. this is a book whose verses have been perfected” 11:1

: “. . . have been perfected”, why there is a need for perfection? It means before the perfection there were flaws existed while this book was revealed by the all-wise Allah in detail to Muhammad. The fact that Allah changed or perfected Their revelations, it means They are not God. Allah have the reputation of being all-wise, all-knower, and knower of the unseen; but unfortunately errors had room in Their declarations. They failed to know the visible things and failed to see the unseen.

b.) “……the words of God are unchangeable” 10:64

My Rebuttal: This verse further complicates the issue of contradiction in Koran for it tells us that none can change the words of Allah, But in verses [2:106 & 16:101] Allah substituted Their previous revelations. I put down the wording in verse [16:101];

“And when We substitute a verse in place of a verse – and Allah is most knowing of what He sends down – they say, “You, [O Muhammad], are but an inventor [of lies].” But most of them do not know.”

My Rebuttal: This verse tells us that Allah, the all-knowing and knower of the unseen, changed Their previous revelations. What is funny after Allah changed Their former revelations, still They have the audacity to claim that They are the most knowing. Allah even failed to stop Muhammad from receiving and uttering Satanic revelations [53:19-20], that’s why Allah needed to correct those revelations. This reality proves that Allah is not almighty and all-knowing. Additionally, Muhammad is a fake prophet, consider this verse;

[Deuteronomy 18:20] “But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.”

If Muhammad had uttered other gods and his Allah was not able to stop satanic revelations, the verdict is, both of them are fake.

2.) Read “Quran and Bible comparison”, you will know the truth: http://islamtomorrow.com/articles/Bible_vs_Quran.asp

ANSWER:

About your second source, I want to point out the author’s lying or ignorance about the Bible.

THE BIBLE

Old Testament

“Naturally, there have been many different translations to a great number of languages over the centuries and one could not expect them (books of Bible) to be identical in text or meaning”

My Rebuttal: One could not expect them to be identical in text or meaning? In text yes, but in meaning, there are 2.3 Billions Christians believe that the books in the Bible are agreeing to each other.

New Testament

“To mention two very clear differences for example; the Catholic Bible [c. 325 A.D] contains 73 books in total, while the Protestant Bible contains only 66 books”

My Rebuttal: I wonder why the author labeled this topic as New Testament but he tackled the whole Bible instead. But anyway, I proceed to answering his allegation; The Protestantism is a rebellion of Catholicism in 1517. That is their own religious principle to use only 66 books in their Bible version. The Protestants just took out 7 books from the original Bible (compiled by Catholicism). They did not alter the message or idea of any book making it different from the original.

QURAN

The Quran Means “Recitation”

My Rebuttal: What makes it special? I don’t see the importance of being recited and written. Reciting is no longer new to the Hebrews for they recited the contents of their Scripture long before Islam. And what is wrong of being written? God himself wrote His Ten commandments on the stone tablets twice.

The author says; “the documentation in writing about the Quran has been preserved in museums throughout the world, including the Topekopi Palace in Istanbul, Turkey, the museum in Tashkent, Uzbekistan and also in England”

My Rebuttal: Provided that this claim is true, but how about in the earlier time of Islam? Was the Quran or Recitation safe after Muhammad died? Bukhari reported that there were four versions of Quran copies or Recitations emerged. And to avoid this problem, Uthman ordered to burn all copies except the version of Hudhaifa (Sahih al-Bukhari 6:61:510).

Also Read: http://www.harvardhouse.com/quran_purity.htm

Koran has Only One Version – Arabic

My Rebuttal: What makes special in the one version? Even if the Koran was written originally in Arabic alone, it could not escape from lies, errors, and contradictions stated within. Moreover, it is not true that the Quran has only one Arabic version, nowadays, the Quran has thirty one Arabic versions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lqQBVtUWvo&t=20s. In contrast, having many authors adds the uniqueness of the Bible, since how come the messages of the books agree considering that they were written by different authors, as well as written in different regions, languages, and generations?

The Koran is Memorized by Millions – Entirely

“The important thing to keep in mind about the Quran is the memorization and transmission of the actual “Recitation” just as it came to Muhammad”

My Rebuttal: … actual recitation” just as it came to Muhammad” This statement is a big fat lie. We know that there were various versions of recitations happened after Muhammad died. Uthman selected one version out many versions of Qurans _the version of Hudaifa. The rest of the copies of Quran were burned by Uthman. However, despite of Uthman’s effort, there are still many Arabic Qurans today. And I doubt if there are ten Millions had memorized the Quran. Even Muhammad himself was not able to memorize all of the so-called revelations https://www.answering-islam.org/Green/forgot.htm.

Each Muslim Has “Quran” Memorized

My Rebuttal: This is utterly a lie. I have a Muslim Girlfriend and she could not memorize a single verse in Quran, how much more the entire book? Most Muslims today are ignorant of their Scriptures. Moreover, Islamic history tells us that only few Muslims could recite the Quran, even Muhammad could not recite the whole Quran.

God Speaks in First Person to Mankind in Quran

My Rebuttal: Another lie. Allah transmitted Their message to Muhammad through the so-called Angel Gabriel. Nowhere in Quran that says Allah appeared and talked to Muhammad. In the Bible, God himself talked to Adam in person [Genesis 3:10-11]; appeared to Abraham in three persons [Genesis 18:1-2]; wrestled with Jacob as a person or man [Genesis 32:24]; showed to Moses and Israelites in the form of cloud and fire [Exodus 13:21]. Likewise, God dwelt with the Israelites in the form of Jesus [read the Gospel]. Moreover, the said angel Gabriel did not introduce his name to Muhammad, In fact, Muhammad thought it was Satan who squeezed him since it tortured him. It was Kahdija his wife who concluded that it was angel Gabriel because it disappeared when she and Muhammad performed sexual acts [Sira No. 154, Ishaq].

Quran Mentions Itself

My Rebuttal: What makes special of mentioning itself? What is more important, the mentioning or essence of the Scripture? The Quran has a lot of contradictions, ignorance, killing commandments, and immoral teachings.

Quran Describes God’s Nature Exactly

My Rebuttal: How did you know that the Koranic description of God is His exact nature? How can you believe Quran if it’s filled with ignorance, contradictions, falsehood, and myths? The Quran teaches that the sun sets in the muddy spring of the Earth (18:85-86); it teaches that there are seven flat Earths and seven solid skies; it also teaches that the stars were made by Allah as missiles to shoot evil spirits (37:6-7 & 67:5); and many more. Additionally, Muhammad saw his Allah as a man with uncircumcised penis https://sunnah.com/bukhari/81/113 .

“There is no room left for doubt after reading the Quran in the Arabic language”.

My Rebuttal: So if you read Quran in English, you will have room left for doubt after? If that so, it is better for Mecca to abolish all the translations of Quran, and kept their Islam themselves alone. You know what, this is one of the defenses of your religion, if it has no room left to explain the Koranic problem, your leaders simply reject the translation. I tell you, Arabic language is not alien, hence it is translatable. It is natural to have a slight divergence in the translation, but the contradictions in Quran are so grievous that it can never be justified. There are three, four, and even seven contradicting statements in one topic. Besides, Quran not only contains ignorant, false, and contradicting statements, but also Satanic verses _this problem definitely is not caused by wrong translation.

“He is for instance, the All-Knowing; the All-Hearing; the All-Seeing; the All-Forgiving; the All- Loving; the All-Merciful; the Only One God. There is never a contradiction to this found anywhere in the Quran”.

My Rebuttal:

The all-wise Allah, all-knower, and knower of the unseen? I doubt it, for Allah replaced his revelations [2:106 & 16:101]. Likewise, Satan was able to sneak his verses during Allah’s revelation to Muhammad, and Allah was not able to prevent Muhammad from uttering other gods. Muhammad in that event became the prophet of Satan. So it means Allah is powerless to know all and to see the unseen.

. . . There is never a contradiction . . . Islam gives you confusions: they say, “our Quran contains no contradictions”, but you can find much contradictions in it ; Muslims say, “we are a religion of peace”, but their Quran commands killing of all non-Muslims; Muslims say, “there is no compulsion in our religion”, but they execute their members who wanted to leave Islam; Muslims say, “Jesus did no die and resurrect”, but you can find a Koranic verse telling Jesus will die and resurrect (19:33); Muslims say, “Jesus is just human made of dust”, but you can find a Koranic verse telling Jesus is God; and many more inconsistent claims.

On the other hand, our God Jesus never erred, He’s flawless and powerful. He stopped the storm, expelled legion of demons from the possessed men, cured inborn physical disability, cured the grievous sicknesses like leprosy, He raised dead people and rose from the dead Himself. And He will come back to judge the people including Muslims [Ibn Kathir’s tafsir on Quran 43:61].

Scientific Miracles in Quran

My Rebuttal: When it comes to miracles and prophesies, the Bible has so much in it. But the so-called miracles in Quran are lies and ridiculous. Muslims just don’t know the false claims of their leaders because they are ignorant of their own scriptures. I tell you, there is no single miraculous verse in Quran. I will expose the falsehood of these so-called prophetic claims soon.

“Bible” is NOT in the Bible

My Rebuttal:

I don’t know if the author of your source is ignorant of the Bible or he purposely twisted the truth. He is telling that the New Testament was not yet in the Bible at the time of Timothy, therefore, Paul was wrong to say to Timothy that he studied the Bible or Holy Scripture. Your source quoted this, “Since you were a young man you have studied the holy scriptures, all scriptures inspired by God”, as evidence that the Bible is not in the Bible.

First let me put down the complete verse, so that I can explain to you well. Here it is;

[2 Timothy 3:15] “And that from a child you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus”.

Of the numerous Bible translations [https://biblehub.com/2_timothy/3-15.htm], I have not encountered a word “studied” but instead “taught or known” are generally used. If we talk about Holy Scriptures or Writings, it does not mean the Bible itself. This refers to the different Books inspired by God. Any book in the Bible can be called Holy Scripture. The Old Testament can be called Holy Scriptures as well. The word “Bible” is derived from the Koine Greek word “Ta Biblia” means “the books”. The Bible is composed of different writings which early Christians believed as inspired by God, but not all Holy Scriptures or books are in the Bible. In either way, whether Paul referred to the Old Testament or New Testament, or to both Scriptures, he was correct in saying to Timothy “you have known the Holy Scriptures”. Because the knowledge about God Jesus at the time of Timothy was already there. Paul and other Apostles were already writing and announcing to the people about the “good news or Gospel”. In fact, what the author of your source failed to realize is that, he is using the verse quoted from the Book of 2 Timothy written by Paul to Timothy, and this Book is a Holy Scripture for it is one of the Books in the New Testament. So, how come the author of your source said that the New Testament was not yet existing at the time of Timothy? All books in the New Testament are about Jesus. The author of your source shows his ignorance of the Bible.

Bible Curses Church Fathers Who REMOVED Book of Revelations

My Rebuttal: For your information, the Catholic Church never removed any book from the Bible, it was the Protestant Church which removed the seven books from the original Bible. For the first 1,400 years there was no other Christian Church emerged except the Catholicism. After Martin Luther was excommunicated by the Roman Catholic Church, he founded his own Church in 1517 called ‘Protestantism’. He questioned which books should be part of his own Biblical canon. At various times he advocated removing the Book of Hebrews, James, Jude, and Revelation. However, when he translated the Bible into German language, he kept the mentioned books. Therefore it was the Protestant Church which removed and put back the Book of revelation in their own Bible version. As you know, not only Islam that severely attack the Catholic Church, but also the Protestantism and its offshoots (like Seventh Day Adventist, Born Again, etc.). Martin Luther removed some books from the original Bible for a couple reasons. First, he disagreed with a few doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church derived from these books, like purgatory and prayers for the dead. Second, these books contradicted with his faith-in-Jesus-alone doctrine.

Whose Word Is It?

The author says; “So if you go to the Bible and point out some mistakes that are in it, you are going to be told (by Christians): Those mistakes were not there in the original manuscript, they have crept in so that we see them there today”.

My Rebuttal: Excuse me, it is Islam which uses this alibi. Which religion keeps telling that the original Arabic writing is correct, without contradictions, you can feel no doubt after you read, etc.? If there is a question raised against the Bible, Christians dig into it for an answer. And if there is any error of the translation from the origin, they show the evidence. Unlike Islam, which used to tell people that the Arabic version of Koran is correct, and only the translation made it wrong. For your information, the Bible is not only prophetic, but also historical. When it comes to prophesy (the word or act of God), the Bible is infallible. The supposed contradictions fell to the historical side. The Bible is 99-98 percent accurate, so its percentage of credibility is still high. How can a man preserve documents from 3400 years ago without a single flaw?

Are There Mistakes?

(The author of your source presented verses [2 Samuel 10:18] and [1 Chronicles] as contradicting and erroneous.)

[2 Samuel 10:18] And the Syrians fled before Israel; and David slew the men of seven hundred chariots of the Syrians, and forty thousand horsemen, and smote Shobach the captain of their host, who died there.

[1 Chronicles 19:18] But the Syrians fled before Israel; and David slew of the Syrians seven thousand men which fought in chariots, and forty thousand footmen, and killed Shophach the captain of the host.

My Rebuttal:

Actually there are two contradictions raised by bible critics about this allegation; one, is the supposed numerical contradiction between the seven hundred mentioned in 2 Samuel and the seven thousands mentioned in 1 chronicles, and the other, is the forty thousand men who were slain by David which described as horsemen in 2 Samuel and footmen in 1 chronicles. But the author of your source just concerned of the latter. Nevertheless, I will solve the two of them.

First, keep in mind that 2 Samuel and 1 Chronicles were written by different authors. Each writer has his own way of presenting a report, so you cannot expect a similar wordings or figures of their stories. Likewise, if you have spotted dissimilar wordings or numerical figures in their reports, it does not mean these data are contradicting, but they can be two pieces of information as well.

If you can notice, the seven hundred mentioned in 2 Samuel is referred to the number of chariots, while the seven thousands mentioned in 1 chronicles is referred to the number of men in the chariots.

If you are a soldier whose means of transportation is only a horse, you can be called as a horseman or cavalier. And if you get down from a horse in order to fight on foot, then you can be called as footsoldier or footman. In the battle, horsemen and footmen can be applied interchangeably.

How Did Judas Die?

(The author quoted Matthew 27:5 and Acts 1 as a contradiction. Since in the preceding verse, Judas hanged himself, but in the following verse Judas fell headlong.)

My Rebuttal: Again this author did not specify the other so-called opposing verse. Let us read these alleged verses;

[Matthew 27:5] Then Judas threw the silver coins down in the Temple and went out and hanged himself.

[Acts 1:18] With the reward of his wickedness Judas bought a field, and falling headlong, he burst open in the middle and all his intestines spilled out.

COMMENT: Mathew 27:5 tells us the cause of Judas death, which is ‘he hanged himself’. While Acts 1:18 tells us what happened to the hanged dead body of Judas. When his corpse started to decompose, it fell headlong and his stomach burst open, spilling out his intestines. Acts 1:18 is not a contradiction against Matthew 27:5, but rather a continuation of Judas’ death account.

MY MESSAGE TO MUSLIM APOLOGISTS

Before you exalt your religion and assail accusations against the Bible, resolve first the blunder in your Quran, Don’t you know that your Allah does not know the persons of Trinity doctrine of Christianity? Here are the proofs;

[Koran 4:171] “O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of God aught but the truth. CHRIST JESUS the son of MARY was (no more than) an apostle of God, and His Word, which He bestowed on MARY, and a SPIRIT proceeding from Him: so believe in God and His apostles. Say not “TRINITY” : desist: it will be better for you: for God is one God: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is God as a Disposer of affairs.”

[Koran 5:116] And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, “O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, ‘TAKE ME AND MY MOTHER AS DEITIES BESIDES ALLAH ?'” He will say, “Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is knower of the unseen.

COMMENT: In the verses above, the all-wise, all-knower, and knower-of-the-unseen Allah thought that the Trinity persons are JESUS, MARY, and ALLAH.

Quran has many errors, but this error is great. This could never have happened since the Trinity is the main issue of the Islamic accusation against Catholicism. If Allah do not know about a simple subject here on Earth, how much more about Heavenly and spiritual matters? These verses will demolish Islam if its Billion followers can know and understand this fact. Take note that the Quran also failed to identify Mary mother of Jesus, it thought that Mary was Merriam, sister of Aaron and daughter of Imran; Also it failed to describe the shape of the Earth, it thinks that the Earth is spread like carpet [15:19, 20:53, 43:10]; Also, Allah thought that the Earth and the sky were once a solid piece and later separated [21:30]. These errors confirm the notion that the Quran was mainly written by Muhammad and his cohorts.

Muhammad had scribes that wrote his revelations down for him. One scribe was `Abdullah Ibn Sa’d Ibn Abi Sarh. As Sarh wrote these revelations down, he frequently made suggestions on improving their wording. Muhammad often agreed and allowed the changes to be made. Eventually, Sarh left Islam, knowing it could not be from God if a mere scribe were allowed to change God’s word. Later, after the conquest of Mecca, Muhammad ordered Sarh’s death.

To those who do not know about Trinity, the Holy Trinity is a doctrine of the Catholic Church that God is one nature but emphasized Himself to mankind in three persons, namely, (God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit).